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Instituted around that time. so the poverty rate in 1968 was 12.8%. the poverty rate now is 12.7%. snap recipients in 1968, 2.9 million. we now have over 42 million americans on food stamps, mollie. what do you think of this program? >> it's not just from that long ago but really this program ballooned under both the bush and obama administration and it's now 18% of american households are on this program. the biggest problem facing -- the biggest food related problem facing low income americans not actually hunger it's obesity. a lot of that related to this so-called nutritional program which...

The lines were so long before the new year ended to prepay your taxes under the old tax rules it didn't matter to people. they wouldn't have been doing that. >> if you are in a state where you have to prepay your taxes to get around problems, they will say forget it i don't want to be part of that. that's why you are seeing the mountain west, the southwest, southeast, stating where taxes are lower, representations are lower. people are flocking there. brian: here are some of the states. illinois the taxes are 11%. in new jersey it's at 12.2%. in new york, 12.7%. and connecticut 12.6. top outbo...

Of the tax foundation. welcome back, scott, good to see you. >> thanks, paul. pa. paul: the -- let's talk, basically the states that are mainly affected are the states with really high income tax rates; new york city, 12.7%, state and local combined, california, 13.3, some others. so let's think through the responses they're making. first of all, there's a threat of a lawsuit that they're going to say that this tax bill is illegal, unconstitutional because it discriminates against certain states. how do you see that playing out? >> well, it's kind of ironic that they're complaining about this ...

Most in the modern era. >> one more thing, david. was that an attempt to take credit? why would he want to say that? what was the objective? >> because they've wanted to make it about clearly economic terms. look, there are stats they can tout. black unemployment has gone from 7.7% to 7.4% since trump's been in office but it went from 12.7% to 7.7% with barack obama in office. this is not just about the unemployment rate or consumer confidence or housing. this is also about respect for american citizen, and this president's rhetoric during the campaign, during the transition, during his presid...

Basically blame feds for their own tax policy? >> right. federal taxes on wealthy residents. what you say in california, in new york about 12.7% and you're seeing a lot of the high earners moving to florida where there is zero income tax especially recently when they raised taxes. paul: you looked through the data in irs statistics recently and you monitored that. it's really dramatic how much people who pay a lot of income tax are moving. >> right. just florida gained about $40 billion in adjusted gross income between 2012 and 2015. paul: and florida has no income tax? >> again, 57% of those ...