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Acting as a private counsel to then vice president pence and he played a positive role in terms of the pouring water all over john eastman's fantasies. you know, everybody on the trump side understood that there was no merit to anything that eastman was saying and of course, more than 60 courts had already rejected all of the claims of electoral corruption and fraud. you know, it was based on. i guess i would say, you know, their problems historically with the electoral count act but it's too easy to say, well let's make a few adjustments to electoral count act and call it a day. i mean, we ha...

Mob prosecution where you start with the foot soldiers until you get all the way to the top to the godfather. you know? really? i wouldn't give up any hope on them figuring out all of the conspiracies that were involved in is very complex set of activities that were designed to overthrowjoe bidens majority in the electoral cartilage and foresee election into a so—called contingent election under the 12th amendment. there was a whole purpose because our constitution says if nobody has a majority in the electoral college when the votes are counted and they were trying everything they could do ...

Into a so—called contingent election under the 12th amendment. there was a whole purpose because our constitution says if nobody has a majority in the electoral college when the votes are counted and they were trying everything they could do to prevent a majority from forming, then it goes into the house of representatives. the reason they wanted it there is because they knew we don't vote according to one member, one vote but according to one estate, one vote under the electoral college system. and they are the gop, had 27 states, we had 22 and one, pennsylvania it was tied down the middle....

>> i'm not sure all the allegations out there were baseless. i'm not confident. the reality is the constitution role of the vice president of the united states. he was following the 12th amendment and electoral count act. and doing his duty. which is what he's required to under the oath to the constitution to defend it. >> well beyond inflaming the big lie. on friday the rnc called the ngs into january 6 a quote persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse. yep. joining me now. national correspondent. political contributor and congressional reporter for "washingto...

Side, as he has done unilaterally, that president trump was wrong. there's too much ambiguity. ambiguity in the 12th amendment, ambiguity in the electoral count of 1887. >> i want to turn to another piece only because we have discussed some of that before. but to put a final note on this section, it would follow from your contention that you think vice president harris will ultimately have the call over who should be president regardless of the results in the next election? >> see, you have misconstrued the whole green bay sweep plan. it's not for the vice president to determine who wins. okay...