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Arguments? >> well, you know, donald trump wants to argue he didn't engage in insurrection. as you said in your prior segment, we all saw with our own eyes what happened on january 6th. we all witnessed what donald trump did prior to the insurrection and after in trying to steal the presidency. and on top of that, two courts have looked at this question and two courts have said he did indeed engage in insurrection. >> they did indeed. let me -- including the colorado supreme court. let me let you listen to christina bobb. she's going to explain further their 14th amendment argument. she makes ...

>> what the 14th amendment section 3 is very clear about is members of congress are officers of the court who took an oath and can be barred for insurrection. i'm going to put up a nonexhaustive list of people who could be considered insurrectionists. these are people who attended a meeting to overturn the election. andy biggs, scott perry, andy harris, paul gosar, and then there's lauren boebert. a lot of people would consider a supporter of insurrection. are you surprised that no one has attempted to remove her, who has now switched district in your state of colorado or other members of cong...

Challenges including in colorado, which also used the same 14th amendment argument, that you engaged in insurrection, you are ineligible for the presidency. how could the appeal for the colorado ruling play out, presumably that will go directly to the u.s. supreme court.>> reporter: exactly, that is much further ahead because obviously there was a trial that was held by a lower court judge and a ruling from the state supreme court. what we expect, jake, any minute now, the former president's legal team will file a request with the u.s. supreme court to try to stay the ruling from the colorado ...

So they could extort benefits that they would never be able to get through regular order. what it says to me is that we need to move as quickly as possible to eliminate the debt ceiling as a bargaining point. we are one of only two countries in the world. denmark being the other one that has a debt ceiling like this that can be used as a hostage taking exercise, so it's reinforced for me the importance that we eliminate this as a hostage taking point as soon as possible. >> how do you want to eliminate it? is it by passing a bill that makes the debt deal negotiation infinity plus years from no...

This is a problem, isn't it? telling me something. but that's the issue. constantly people trying to figure out what the off ramps r the administration is clear. the off ramp is congressional action. there is no other off ramp. yet, there are discussions behind the scenes. what other alternatives? could you mint a trillion dollar coin? that is on finance twitter forever. or could you say because the constitution says explicitly, they have to pat debts. the debt ceiling, the law itself, the statute is unconstitutional. just put it bluntly whether the talk to administration officials talk ong th...