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The one thing hakeem told me, there's nothing in the bill for them. there's not one thing in the bill for democrats. >> hakeem jeffries is a 90 said, that what kevin mccarthy kind of has a point, doesn't he? what other specific policies in this bill that democrats can claim as a win? avoiding default is not a democratic party win. >> well, i would dispute that. i think default would've been catastrophic for everybody, i also think the 14th amendment route, which the president said he would look into now once this crisis had passed was not something that made sense because of it went to the cou...

Very upset. the one thing hakeem told me, there's nothing in the bill for them. there's not one thing in the bill for democrats. >> hakeem jeffries is a 90 said, that what kevin mccarthy kind of has a point, doesn't he? what other specific policies in this bill that democrats can claim as a win? avoiding default is not a democratic party win. >> well, i would dispute that. i think default would've been catastrophic for everybody, i also think the 14th amendment route, which the president said he would look into now once this crisis had passed was not something that made sense because of it wen...

He said he couldn't say whether or not republicans would be willing to do it. i think that is the frame through which things need to be viewed right now. >> and what is also pretty telling is that in the last couple of days there has been a lot more talk about the 14th amendment and the possibility that president biden could side step congress. and you pressed him on that earlier. what did you tell you? >> reporter: yeah, abby, this is become a center stage issue. the president has been asked about this before. he has said several times that he and his top advisers have been working through an...

End up choosing the 14th amendment route, i think it would trigger litigation. so what would happen in the meantime, and is the platinum coin provision an option here? >> i don't see that as an option, but we will see. i think when you are looking at default, and you are looking at the global economic consequences of it, that may make speaker mccarthy come to his senses and take the hand grenade off the table. these are things even people who are adversaries can negotiate in good faith. but it is not good faith to come in with threats, it is not good faith to come in without a negotiating posi...

Behind-the-scenes negotiations? >> as of right now, i think we all had focus yesterday, as you mentioned, on this white house meeting. i think nothing really came of that. the biggest thing to come out of today is john boehner telling republicans that he will not allow the country to default, that they will find a way to raise the debt ceiling. that seems to me as sort of an opening offer that we want something to happen here. again, president obama has said he will not negotiate. does he move even slightly off of that sort of forceful statement? >> and jay carney said at his briefing again re...