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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

and so, if he has a photocopy of a document, even if it does have a classification marking on it, but it does not constitute national defense information, or if it was the classified, if it's not currently national defense information than, no, that wouldn't be the smoke east gun. >> okay. . you do need -- >> to -- represent what the -- >> i want to go back to your point, which is correct in the justice department's approach to this, which is, classification is not important to them in -- investigation -- >> right. it's not part of the statute. >> that's right. -- the heaviest statute that they cited in obtaining that search warrant, 18 usc, section 1519, and you know what it says, and you know what the final line of it says, which is 20 years. okay? and here's what it describes. word classified never appears. >> correct.

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

and you know what it says, and you know what the final line of it says, which is 20 years. okay? and here's what it describes. word classified never appears. >> correct. >> national defense never appears. this law applies to, as you know, any record. any record. okay? whoever, knowingly conceals, covers up, in any record document, or document, with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence an investigation. and that is what they believe they have in donald trump's desk with his full 110% knowledge that it's in his desk. because -- >> -- >> because they served a subpoena. as you know. you were there. you were on that team. you were there the day they got

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Jose Diaz-Balart Reports

charges and they're really distinct from these other cases of classified information, you know, involving mike pence where we learned last week that charges will not be brought against mike pence and involving president biden where he had documents at his house and a separate special counsel is investigating how they got there. but there's been no allegation that he obstructed justice and that he showed these documents to someone. >> this is so unusual on so many levels. but the fact that -- i mean, again, it could be or could not be facing -- he could be facing no charges. but, you know, obstruction of justice, for example, these are such unusual times and an unusual case. what is the former president looking at if he were to be found guilty on any of these? >> jose, 18 usc 1519, obstruction of justice is punishable by up to 20 years in prison.

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Deadline White House

about, about the foreign policy pieces, are important. but also this is a pretty simple investigation of stolen documents and obstruction into the investigation. and the last thing i want to do is to have a prosecutor whether it's jack smith or merrick garland or someone else feeling they have to chase down every motivation before indicting what you already know. the clock is ticking, and you know, this does not seem like a complicated case at the end of the day. and so yes, there might be motivations that should be uncovered later on, but that is no excuse to not indict now on what you do know. obstruction of justice of these classified documents under section 1519 is a 20-year felony. it's a serious thing. and it has to be serious because we entrust so many people with our nation's secrets, and you can't just bring them home or bring them to your golf club. >> and then have your lawyers lie about them. >> exactly. >> neal, thank you very much for being with us at the table. mary, michael, stick around a

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Early Start With Christine Romans

under section 18 usc 1519 which could get someone up to 20 years in prison. >> so let's turn to the new york case of the hush money payments. listen to what michael cohen said yesterday after testifying wednesday. >> having spoken and met with them so many times, do you believe an indictment is imminent? >> i do. >> when do you think it could ha happen. >> let's hope it is sooner rather than later because everyone needs to be held accountable, everyone needs to be held to the same standard of the law and that includes former presidents. >> do you think there is an indictment coming soon? >> i do. i think that it will happen by the end of next week. this case is referred to within the d.a.'s office in manhattan as the zombie theory because it just won't die. it comes back and forth. it starts and stops. it has been around for about five years. but i think they really serious now because they invited donald

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CNN Newsroom

of the documents but the obstruction. they are trying to tie donald trump and his lawyer evan corcoran to the obstruction. that is 18 usc 1519 punishable by up to 20 years in prison. that is the big whammy here and why they are talking to all the staff who have seen the documents, heard things, seen staff carry the documents out and around to avoid the oversight of the federal government. that is why everyone is being called in. >> we have heard some of those staffers are represented by attorneys paid by the former president himself. does that present a conflict specifically in terms of how reliable their testimony could be? >> yes. it is not illegal. they can pay for the lawyers. but the feds will know that. they know that these witnesses may not be so forthcoming because their legal fees are being paid for by the trump organization. remember, this happened with cassidy hutchinson. at first her legal fees were being paid for by trump's

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

donald trump and the two lawyers, corcoran and bobb are really have to be sitting there going, this is not a good development. because, two lawyers certified, either drafted or themselves certified that they produced everything, and donald trump, the idea that this happened without donald trump knowing, is implausible. you can be sure that those boys i'm gonna say that they did this completely without checking without their micromanaging client. so that picture that you're showing to me, speaks volumes, in terms of obstruction and the 1519 charge. a failure to comply with the grand jury subpoena, which is 18 u.s. c402, which is

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Inside Politics With Abby Phillip

more. kerry, there's a lot in the affidavit that fills in some blanks about what was going on leading up in to search of former president's residence, but what might actually loom over all this is the part of the obstruction. here's what the new york times writes about that, by system measures the obstruction of crime is as serious a threat to mr. trump or his closest associates. to convict, they need to prove two things, that a defendant knowingly con skeeled comes. section 1519's maximum penalty is 20 years in prison, which is twice as long as the penalty under the espionage act, and the fact that these documents were classified is important, but not essential to what the federal investigators are looking at

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New Day With John Berman and Brianna Keilar

documents we have seen and haven't seen and the one today. >> john, by the time this is all over every person in the united states is going to be an expert on search warrants and how they work, i'm making that my goal. there are three primary documents involved in any search warrant, there is the search and seizure warrant itself, there is the receipt for property and then there is the big document we are looking for today the affidavit. let's remind ourselves of what these are. the warrant itself, this is a fairly straightforward three-page document, it's already public, we've already seen t the most important thing we learned from this document is what crimes doj is investigating. we got the listing of the statutes. 7 id 3, mishandling of defense information, 2071 concealment or destruction of official federal documents and 1519 that's obstruction. now, the second document, receipt for property, also a three-page document. we've also seen this already, it is public. the most important thing we learned here is generally that doj when they searched

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Andrea Mitchell Reports

and it goes through categories, like witness information. so, andrew weissman, when they go through these categories they are explaining why you would not identify witnesses in a potential criminal case while you're still bringing new witnesses in and going through the documents that were finally turned over during the mar-a-lago search. am i correct? >> yeah, absolutely. and so i think it is commendable that the department and the court has done something that we did in the special counsel investigation, which was really making sure they went through everything to unredact, even this, which is basically a legal brief, to make sure everything that could be revealed is being revealed. and to your point about witness intimidation and obstruction, i found interesting and quickly looking at this, that of course that is one of the reasons we knew it would be identified. we knew that the obstruction statute was charged 1519 as a

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