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contraband fruits of crime or other items illegally possessed in violation of 18 u.s. code section 793 2071 or 1519. that string of numbers i just read is actually a set of federal statutes. 793 for instance is part of what is known as the ex pianist act. it deals with the quote gathering transmitting or losing defense information. this specific session of the espionage act that federal authorities cited the search warrant concerns collecting transferring or losing information relating to national defence. quote, with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the united states, and quote. the second federal statute that prosecutor site in the search warrant is section 2071, which prohibits the willful unlawful removal of records belong to the government. and finally in the unsealed warrant today, we learned that

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act. it deals with the quote gathering transmitting or losing defense information. this specific session of the espionage act that federal authorities cited the search warrant concerns collecting transferring or losing information relating to national defense. quote, with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the united states, and quote. the second federal statute that prosecutor site in the search warrant is section 2071, which prohibits the willful unlawful removal of records belong to the government. and finally in the unsealed warrant today, we learned that federal prosecutors showed probable cause that section 1519, that deals with, quote, the destruction, alteration or falsification of records and federal investigations was violated. what violation of that law means, the knowing destruction, concealment, cover-up or making of a false entry with respect to any record, with the intent to impede, obstruct or

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potentially classified materials and evidence of crimes. today we learned exactly which laws the justice department had reason to believe may have been violated. what specific items they were searching for and what they took from the immediate past presidents home. here's a second detachment to the warrant. it is titled quote, attachment b. property to be ceased -- all physical documents and records constituting evidence contraband fruits of crime or other items illegally possessed in violation of 18 u.s. code section 793, 2071 or 1519. that string of numbers i just read is actually a set of federal statutes. 793 for instance is part of what is known as the ex pianist

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

such a case. and that's because not only did they allege that there was serious information that they wanted to find in mar-a-lago of a classified nature. but this was the top secret compartmentalizing formation. that is the most sensitive information that the government has. and it was found. not only did they seek it, but it actually was found. and there was lots of it. furthermore, by charging 1519, the obstruction statute, that is a huge aggravating factor, meaning not only did he possess the most classified information that the government has. but he obstructed justice. so, those are both very serious crimes. and all you have to do is look at, let's say, general petraeus, who was charged for, i think, offenses that pale in

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CNN Newsroom With Fredricka Whitfield

something at the core of the issues here today. >> what was most alarming to you or most surprising to you as it pertains to the information in the unsealed warrant? >> well, there was a statute that the government cited that was 18 usc 1519, that is usually an obstruction statute. so if one of my clients came to me and said, my home got searched and they included that statute, i would tell them that he was under investigation for obstruction of justice. it is possible that they used it here to just show that trump was obstructing a government agency, perhaps the national archives or the department of energy or something else, but it is an interesting conclusion because there may be something obstruction related here. >> is that potential application because a year ago the fbi did seize some 15 boxes, perhaps they thought they had all of it or perhaps they asked for me and didn't receive it and now were

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American Voices With Alicia Menendez

of a search like this, you hunker down and get ready for the indictment, that's coming soon. here, because there was a separate reason, that may not eventuate, on the other hand, they do have this treasure trove of evidence. law enforcement will be combing through it, and they will see potential evidence of these three crimes. and the ironic twist that you pointed out as one thing, but the other two ones, espionage, and 1519, heavy, heavy hit. 20 years, potentially. >> you just threw a side note there, that i want to ask you about, talking about the attorney who signed off on this, back in june, set for a guy. because i think that there is a variety of ways this potentially plays out, right? that person genuinely believed that there were no documents left or they were led to believe that there were no documents left. i mean, there are a range of options for what could happen there, and then, the consequences changes the result? >> very true. and of course, for trump, it changes as a result. that's the first, i say poor

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CNN Newsroom With Pamela Brown

highly sensitive, closely held defense information, and so, i expected the first two statutes that had been cited, i was surprised at the time the obstruction statute was included, it wasn't clear to me why that was but that very well may relate to the false statement we heard a moment ago, statute 1519, i charge that when i was a federal prosecutor, that relates to any work concealing or altering or mutilating a record in order to obstruct either a federal proceeding, usually in investigation, or potentially, obstructing the operations of the federal government program. >> all right, gentlemen, thank you very much for your expertise this evening. >> thank you. coming up next, we will be speaking live with representative lofgren, she's at the heart of the january 6th insurrection investigation and i will ask her about the parade

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correspondent ryan riley. so you have the doc. what does it tell you? >> well, we have three things going on here. there is a -- i'm going to read them off here. so there is a u.s. code 2071 which is concealment, removal or mutilation. there is a 793 which is gathering transmitting or losing national defense information and then there is 1519, destruction or alteration or falsification of documents in federal investigations. so those are the three items that we now know that the former president of the united states was under suspicion for, for violating those laws. and there is a whole list, there is 28 items on this list here of items that were seized from the property. there is a description obviously of mar-a-lago itself and then there is a rundown of exactly what they actually took including top secret security information, being the takeaway there. in additions to boxes of classified information. but it is really, it is a

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CNN Newsroom With Alisyn Camerota and Victor Blackwell

this is a search warrant. we are not at the end of this eval investigation. no one has been charged with any of these statutes at this time, and the other thing that is important to note here is that none of these three things under investigation specify that there is a mishandling of classified documents, investigation going on here. the charge that is being used apparently to investigate this instead is the espionage act. it's not necessarily about classified records. it's about whether or not these records being at the property of mar-a-lago could be harmful to the united states. >> katelyn polantz, thank you for the reporting. stay with us, i want to go now to elie honig, and walk us through. we've got section 793, 1519, 2071, give us some more. >> it's a law school exam. in three words, espionage, obstruction, and destruction. so starting with the first one. 793, that is part of the espionage act here, and that applies to anybody who gathers or loses or destroys defense

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believe they did and i acted in good faith. that could be a valid defense if you could convince a juror. that may be all he's got, though. >> let me ask you about the statute, 18 usc 1519, that is typically use and tell me if i'm wrong, it is used to charge obstruction of justice by concealing or destroying evidence. and if we look at attachment b in the warrant, in the letter d under attachment b, any evidence of knowing alteration, destruction or concealment of any government and/or presidential records of any documents with classification markings. how do you read into that. >> i didn't see this one coming. this is interesting. think all of us speculated about the other statutes that used her. 2071, 793, but this one is about obstruction of justice and it brings with it a 20-year prison sentence maximum. but it suggests to me that somewhere along the president trump concealed the fact that he had some of the documents that

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