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There. >> but there's a regulation that says if the railing is 42 inches high, you will be fined as per osha regulation 1910.23e. how do you avoid that but still have safe coal mines? >> that's where you have come to my proposal which is to say that you have a way to find back and i put it in terms of legal defense funds. and these are not legal defense funds that just defend the innocent. they defend people who are technically guilty of violating a pointless regulation and, again, this is a fund for ordinary people. it's not for big corporations. so what happens is you are being harassed by a...

>> so since the 1940s with this regulatory state rising, the united states has become the richest, most dynamic, most technologically advanced country in the history of the world. and secondly i look at our lives. and we have cleaner air, safer coal mines, cleaner water. >> what's the big deal, then? >> what's the big deal? >> look, point number one, i am in favor of regulations that take smokestacks that are boiling out noxious smoke and regulating the hell out of them. okay? that's fine with me. coal mines safer, that's fine with me, too. >> is there a way to get -- i guess what i'm trying t...