>> so since the 1940s with this regulatory state rising, the united states has become the richest, most dynamic, most technologically advanced country in the history of the world. and secondly i look at our lives. and we have cleaner air, safer coal mines, cleaner water. >> what's the big deal, then? >> what's the big deal? >> look, point number one, i am in favor of regulations that take smokestacks that are boiling out noxious smoke and regulating the hell out of them. okay? that's fine with me. coal mines safer, that's fine with me, too. >> is there a way to get -- i guess what i'm trying t...