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Based on national polling data, both that the election was stolen and that biden is therefore an illegitimate president and that violence is explicitly justified in order to respond to the theft of the election. >> mm-hmm. >> about 21 million people. >> i was just having conversations with some of the producers i work with now, listening to the show in my ear, or at least talking to me in my ear, we're saying the same thing about how violence is acceptable now if you don't get what you want. this is what you write. you said, if the plot succeeds, the ballots cast by american voters will not de...

What you want. this is what you write. part of what you write. you said if the plot succeeds, the ballots cast by american voters will not decide the presidency in 2024. thousands of votes will be thrown away or millions to produce the required effect. the winner will be declared the loser, the loser will be certified president elect. this is pretty frightening. this is the nightmare scenario for the collapse of democracy where votes don't matter, just who gets to count the votes? >> the threat that's going on right now which is that more organized republican operative are infiltrating and tak...

Results should be decertified, which means there shouldn't have been biden electors from there. there should have been trump electors. trump secretly won the election and should be restored to power. that is what they tried after the election and is still what trump is trying.d bart gellman was right about what trump was going to do in 2020 as farfetched as it seemed at the time. now today barton gellman has written his follow-up also in "the atlantic," the new cover story out today called "january 6 was practice." here's how it starts. technically, the next attempt to overthrow a national ele...

Terrifying report in the "atlantic." quote, the next attempt to overthrow a national election may not qualify as a coup. it will rely on subversion more than violence. if the plot succeeds, the ballots cast by american voters will not decide the presidency in 2024. thousands of votes will be thrown away, or millions, to produce the required effect. the winner will be declared the loser. the loser will be certified president elect. barton gelman is with us now. your piece is fascinating. it is a huge warning. as you point out in it, you say donald trump may have lost the election, but right now...

Mark goldman was right about what trump was going to do in 2020, as far fetched as it seemed at the time. now today barr endowment has written his follow up in the atlantic. it's the new cover story today. it's called the january six was practice. here's how it starts. technically, the next attempt to overthrow a national election may not qualify as a coup. it will rely on subversion more than violence. although each will have its place. if the plot succeeds, the ballots cast by american voters will not decide the presidency in 2024. thousands of votes will be thrown away, or millions, to prod...