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Fewer and fewer hands and it's been manifested in some of these organizations we talked about. there are clearly flagrant misuses of the term social welfare. this needs to be reined in, congress should move forward to do it on a fair basis not back off. >> let me ask you this question, david, why was it that karl rove's 501c4 was allowed to operate. i think the thing most galling is big/little. bill burton and karl rove are running around the country obviously flouting the intent of the social welfare classification in front of all of us sitting at the table of my show, right? >> right. >> and...

Welfare, well, that's what primary purpose means, could be the secondary purpose. and here's what i'm calling for. as we look at this and we should, i think it's very wrong that they would have targeted them. we should be saying what are these groups. let's have transparency, disclosure. who are these contributors, a. b, let's have accountability for what this is. this is a very vague law. we need a clear definition of what a 501c4 is that someone could give them money and they don't have to pay taxes on it. we need accountability at the irs, of course, as to how this happened. we've really go...

The attorney general has just announced that he's ordered the justice department and the fbi to investigate whether irs officials broke any criminal laws by singling out conservative groups for special scrutiny. the heart of this scandal involves something called a 501c4 commonly referred to as a social welfare organization. they allow a group to raise unlimited amounts of money without reporting donors. and while some lobbying is allowed, political activities cannot be its primary function. nor may it participate directly or indirectly in political campaigns. unfortunately, policing that is e...

They passed no bill to promote any good economic growth. >> let me ask you, i want to get back to this jobs question in regular order. let me ask you about the revelations of the irs and the fact that the irs apologized for improperly flagging new applicants for 501c4 political groups, nonprofits going to do politics by certain key words. there are now calls for investigations, a house bill that will be introduced to criminalize this behavior. what's your reaction to this? >> well, i think it's an opportunity. let me say it this way, if, in fact, the irs was targeting people because of their t...

Irs, and they've been stringing us along for years. in 2012, the beginning of 2012, we got, like, an eight-page letter from the irs, several other groups did around the country, asking for things like our facebook posts and comments on our facebook page. all the e-mails we've ever sent. the names of congressmen and senators that any of our supporters from around the country have talked to. a lot of the information that they were asking for was completely -- really none of their business and completely intrusive. >> well, tell me about it from your point of view. are you a political organizatio...