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Elsewhere in the world. again, americans don't want to do that. they're talking about cutting cancer research. americans don't want to do that. cuts are important. we need to cut this budget. republicans are cutting the wrong things. that's what this debate is fundamentally about. >> if we shut down the government, here's an example of what it will look like and feel like. social security services, may be halted. checks won't go out. museums, national parks can't get in. paychecks of federal employees may be delayed. paul ryan on "face the nation" talked about negotiating with the senate on wh...

>> my guess is we'll probably have short-term extensions while we negotiate these things. with spending cuts. we don't want to accept the extremely high, elevated levels and we'll have to start negotiating on these things not just with the senate but also with the president as well. martha: all right, that is wisconsin republican paul ryan one of the most out spoken advocates of spending cuts and not all republicans were in favor of that bill that passed in the wee hours of the morning, despite the soaring national debt. there it is, look at it once in a while, watch it tick by and g.o.p. lawm...

Let me explain why i and two other republicans voted against this bill. in a short phrase, because it didn't cut enough and if you indulge me for a minute i'll give you four reasons for that. martha: sure, go for it. >> we said we were going to cut spending $100 billion and this cuts $62 billion and we said we were going to take nonsecurity spending back to 2008 levels. this doesn't do that. there was an amendment to do that, and it failed. defense spending is the second largest element of spending in the government, the first thing entitlements and second, defense and this actually increases ...

It's more than reasonable the $62 billion. >> it's perfectly reasonable. the senate should come back with the offer, do their work, have a debate and present something to the president and present something to the house. bottom line is democrats in the senate and the democrats have staked out an untenable position. they don't want to cut and the american people really want deep cuts in the federal budget. >> mark, final word? >> they do want spending cuts but you know what? they want to cut subsidies for big oil companies. they don't want to cut teachers and raise their kids' class size. that'...

Power, and, similar protests expected in ohio, city of become clues, and idaho, in boise. as well. >> that is the big question now, wisconsin is not close to the top of the list when it comes to unfunded pensions, and what we are watching is ground zero for a debate we could see across the country, illinois has 62 billion dollars in benefitted obligations that it cannot pay for, 62 billion for one state, folks. and that beats the perennial lead leader in debt, california, which has $49 billion in unfunded pensions and the garden state, not far behind, in third place, $30 billion in health care...