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in terms of base voters and that's what you can accomplish with barack obama. and obama is not in office. he's not the boogieman out there. so, they're able to get the winds of a very dynamic speaker in barack obama. you heard him, you know, on the trail. he is just a -- you know, an excellent speaker. and biden isn't as great a speaker these days. but also, they don't want to be -- they don't want those ads to be cut by the republican opponents saying, hey, why is your candidate appearing with joe biden when he created all of this inflation, even if the economists say he actually didn't create all of the inflation, it's still just a bad look for democrats. so, they're not willing to take the risk. and they would rather have closed-door fundraisers and him going to blue states where, you know, democrats are in trouble as well. >> daniel lipman, always appreciate the insight, thanks. >> thank you. secretary of state tony