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Chad? or jake. jake then chad. >> you have a choice whether he is part of your conference. you'll make a choice, whether or not to accept him. is this the -- >> the choice we made -- i do not think this is acceptable behavior. the choice is made by the people of montana. >> explain something to me. so you haven't sent the health care report to the senate. got the cbo report. you said it was good news. why are rank and file republicans basically beating the living tar out of the cbo? you are the budget committee chair. i understand the issue. >> by the way, i've seen both parties beat the livin...

More entry, not less. for sure, there are some markets where there are problems. there are others where there are not really big problems. and the system is working. but to make the argument that there are problems with obamacare, therefore, let's light it on fire and let's replace it with something that's going to be dramatically worse doesn't make any logical sense. >> austin, we're going to toss it over to paul ryan. good to talk to you. thank you for being with us. here's paul ryan talking about cbo and the budget. >> it is staggering to consider the different forms that child exploitation...

That has people frustrated. >> why do people -- >> but the deficit reduction part is important. your side embraced that. when it came to 23 million, they said, no, it was -- >> i just explained it. >> following up on the cbo report, it did find that preel y -- premiums on average would go down, but in the markets that employed the waivers, they believed there might not be any access for the group -- >> let me explain what this means. >> it would go up for older and sicker people, as well. >> if a state takes a waiver, then a state, in order to get the waiver, has to have a risk system in place...

Premiums. we have two problems to solve here. we have to get premiums down and make sure people with preexisting conditions can get affordable coverage. >> you're disagreeing on the cbo's conclusion, that premiums would in fact go up for the more sick? >> i just answered your question. >> yesterday, the treasury secretary called for a clean debt ceiling increase. it was rejected but also wants something done by august to address the deficit. where do you stand? >> we're talking with members on this. it wouldn't be -- every treasury secretary says this and every treasury secretary needs to say ...

In less direct spending to medicare. 14 million fewer enroh llles. these are the poor and indigent. joining me now is austin, a professor at the university of chicago and the former chairman of the council of economic advisers in president obama's administration. >> thanks for having me. >> people right now who have insurance would lose it. the justification i've been hearing is that because they're not forced to buy insurance by obamacare, people will have the freedom to not buy something ey don't want tobuy. what do you make of that? >> first of all, i think the summary statement of this cbo...