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Finance laws. sorry, jordan, that's news, but they don't want to answer to the specifics. what does that tell you? >> they didn't seem prepared. this is the president and his lawyer. >> there are a few people like jim jordan and mark meadows who will defend the president on all counts. the rest of them are afraid of them in their district and frankly they don't believe or trust him, either. >> but they knew it was coming. you have to mount some sort of defense to the actual act, and they didn't do that. >> but neither is the president, really. he's essentially saying that michael cohen is a ly...

It's totally cool" line with "the new yorker." i think that's an intentional plan to spill this stuff out like he did on sean hannity about the stormy daniels payment, like he did with chris cuomo about collusion. in the end when it comes out, we are familiar with parts of it. >> here is what we are talking about. this is the latest "new yorker" article. the reporters ask him about the "new york times" quote he gave in which he said, yes, the conversations about the moscow trump tower were going on up through the election. the reporter says to him, the times made that quote up? giuliani said, ...