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When we see day in and day out pretty much nine fact checks by the white house recently on remarks he was making. it is difficult to deny that we're watching something that is not good with biden. >> let's be clear, we had four years of donald trump and we saw just baseless things he said that weren't based in reality that were awful and even dangerous to the american people. >> harris: wait a minute. you want to do what aboutism with an 81-year-old president that members of your own party have doubts about that they are speaking out. i don't think this is the time for that. you are not a doct...

Playbooks. his playbook to litigate in the court of public opinion and, you know, it's very interesting to me in fact in all of these cases you haven't heard very much from trump and his legal team that is an actual beginnings of a legal defense. there's enormous amount of what aboutism and gaslighting and hunter biden. there is repeated efforts to just simply sort of say over and over again that the election was rigged and stolen, rigged and stolen and this major announcement that he's going to release more evidence about georgia's election, i mean, come on. the thing that is so striking to m...

Biden. i think the argument a lot of republicans are making is they that i that the trump family, at least the ones that i've talked to, if they would have done some of the things that hunter biden would have done there would have been more coverage on it and they believe it is an idea of fairness that hunter biden had a lot of entanglements and a lot of money and they don't know how far it gets up in the family. but there is like legitimate questions there, right. on sort of his dealings and what he did while his father has had a powerful role in this country. so, i think we'll certainly try ...

Conversation would be to start by saying, of course, there is a definite scenario in which we would be talking about hunter. there is inappropriate behavior, to say the least, going on there. but to cover it full throatedly yesterday, which i saw happening, when a former president is indicted for the third time, this time for overthrowing an election, is just dishonest. it is simply dishonest. it is packaged as what aboutism. it's ridiculous. >> they're distracting from the truth, which is their only game. >> it's their only game. >> distract from the truth, the ugliness of trumpism, that it's...

They're all about speech. when someone calls you on your phone, you get a spam call, someone's trying to get your icloud credentials or get you to turn over your credit card, the fact they're speaking to you is not protected by the first amendment. it's a crime. >> they're saying it's political. this is obviously a campaign. one of the things the lawyer said yesterday was -- this is a forward thinking about what aboutism. it was what if one day joe biden says something you don't agree with, is that going to be criminalized? this is different. >> it is. i do think the political character of the...