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Military insists of going in and overwhelming firepower. ac-130, gatling guns, backups. you know, after desert one in iran they didn't take any chances anymore. and i can see why the pakistanis wouldn't want to admit their complicit. why would they? what would they get out of it? it would just cause all sorts of internal problems. and it's a narrative that serves both washington and islamabad. and i think that's fine. i don't think we should know all the details. >> and often, as i said, again, with the pat tillman incident and with jessica lynch it's understandable why people would be suspici...

This is the gut reaction i have with those -- you've got three regiments in that area, a military academy. it's a built-up area. and there's no way that the s.e.a.l.s could be absolutely sure that she's military forces wouldn't turn on them in a simple reaction. somehow they were told to stand down, for whatever reason, at whatever level. i've seen these things before, i've seen in beirut, where the military insists of going in and overwhelming firepower. ac-130, gatling guns, backups. you know, after desert one in iran they didn't take any chances anymore. and i can see why the pakistanis wou...

Strategy there? who's going to craft it? is there a road to success? >> libya's a perfect example of where there's not a strategy. we -- the president, first of all, says it's unacceptable for gadhafi to stay in place. once the american president says something is unacceptable, he needs to make it unaccepted. or the country loses. so we get started after getting resolutions of the arab league and from the united nations. we finally get started under france's leadership i think i would have to say in terms of the urgency. and save ben ghazi from gadhafi conquering it. but then we, after using t...

Weeks and weeks, because we sort of are half in and half out, but for a few airplanes, ac-130 aircraft and particular fighter a-10 aircraft, gadhafi would be in a much worse position. but we've pulled those aircraft out of the fight. that's kind of hard to understand, lending them to the fight the unique equipment and pulling it out. >> good to see you. thanks very much. this is going to be a complicated situation. jamie ruben, former assistant secretary of state and executive editor with "the bloomberg view." >> you have a sony playstation. you don't use it to play games. >> i use it to watch...

I don't know what else you would recommend, general. but at this point, if the message is that the job is not getting done and the mission remains to protect civilians, the use of predator drones, effective strategy at this point? >> sure. they will be effective, i don't think they'll be consequencial. the first thing should be done is recognize rebels' political movement to tnc, continue to squeeze gaddafi with all the elements of national power. provided a visors, weapons and ammunition to the rebel movement. in addition to the nonlethal aid we're providing. then from a military perspective,...