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>> well, because the reports are stretched out over time. they span -- the ones that we got our hands on 2009 to it 2012. look, as you know, bill, there are some people out there full time occupation flack to fox news. despite what they're saying and tweeting about me nowhere have i reported that sergeant bergdahl was collaborating with the enemy. i some antidotal evidence has been accruing to that effect. dicey to use your preferred journalistic lingo to suppress it ground reports show while bergdahl actually escaped for five days, was chand in a cage like an animal. later point observed to b...

Rollout. should they have let people really experience it and see if it's as bad as you say instead of shutting down the government and now that's the subject? >> it's always difficult making decisions. most of us ran for office, i ran for office because i was concerned about the overwhelming debt our country is accruing. a trillion dollars a year, we're borrowing a million dollars every minute. so i'm worried about the overall financial picture of the country, and so whether or not it was a good strategic idea, i don't know, but when are we supposed to stand up and say, look, we're out of mon...

Rollout. should they have let people really experience it and see if it's as bad as you say instead of shutting down the government and now that's the subject? >> it's always difficult making decisions. most of us ran for office, i ran for office because i was concerned about the overwhelming debt our country is accruing. a trillion dollars a year, we're borrowing a million dollars every minute. so i'm worried about the overall financial picture of the country, and so whether or not it was a good strategic idea, i don't know, but when are we supposed to stand up and say, look, we're out of mon...

>> the health care rollout this week by many, many accounts did not go that well. we just talked about it with treasury secretary lew, and yet all the headlines are about the government shutdown. let me show you the front page of the lexington paper and you'll see the top headline says, feeling the shutdown. talks about the health care glitches with the website rollout. should they have let people really experience it and see if it's as bad as you say instead of shutting down the government and now that's the subject? >> it's always difficult making decisions. most of us ran for office, i ran ...

All the pieces have to be there. that's why the unions are going to get what they want. that's why the supreme court thing is so important, if you take away a piece of this, it unravels like a ball of yarn. otherwise you give out health insurance to the other people and the pre-existing thing and all that. >> if i can add a point to jonas' remark, the subsidies that are accruing for those that don't have health care are for those that don't have job, for those that been maybe unemployed below the poverty line and so forth. here we're talking with regard to labor's push is for those who already...