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Flippers isn't exactly outside the realm of his world. and i go back to, if he has absolutely nothing to hide, is completely innocent, why does he care? >> well, again, i just tried to explain that to you, ana. he's afraid that somebody would lie and say that he did something wrong when, in fact, he didn't. so, that's why he cares. >> but the evidence would have to be there in order to actually accept that. >> ah, the evidence would have to be there, but there's also circumstantial stuff that can get put together that could put the heat on somebody. you know, you were mentioning some of the mo...

The challengers say it did, and no one thought to think that that's not the way the act works, not even scott walker who might be the next republican presidential candidate thought that. he built his wisconsin program based on the assumption that tax credits on federally facilitated exchanges would be available. >> and michael, we have john gruber who -- though he downplays it some call him the architecture of obamacare. we have him saying taxpayers don't get the subsidies if these state exchanges aren't set up. he now says that's taken out of context. what say you? >> millions of americans li...

Starting with defund all the government except obama care then fund all of government but obama care. i think republicans played this beautifully but there was no point to carrying it on any longer. the lesson that needs to be learned is we need to re-elect republicans. >> some day somebody is going to do a psychological study of why that act works. she's not alone. matt kibbe tweeted this week, quote, the government shutdown and the debt ceiling crisis were brilliant republican strategy. and last week, the other person michele bachmann answered the question whether the shutdown was worth it b...