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Unable to get health insurance. the bill is not perfect but it's better than doing nothing. i'm already rationed. >> but that's the problem, is it's not better than doing nothing because we are now creating a bill that's going to cost more money. it's going to make it harder for that person to get any kind of health care down the line. so we need to find a way to decrease the cost and find efficiency within our health care delivery system so that we have money available. we save 11% of cost in health care by doing a consumer driven health care plan. the academy of actuaries said 10% to 20% avi...

Health care plan. >> 11% cost savings indianain' this year because they have 70% of their state employees on that plan. 11% cost savings that they can then put back into that plan. >> i'm a cancer survivor, unable to get health insurance, the bill is not perfect, but it's better than doing nothing, i'm already rationed. >> it's not better than doing nothing, because we're now creating a bill that's going to cost more money, it's going to make it harder for that person to get health care down the line. we need to decrease the costs and find fisht si in our health care system. the academy of act...

Problem not a bill that will transpire. they're not up to save money. set up to spend money. >> take them at their word and c.b.o. at its worst and best guest, as you often remind me, that is about administration argument saying if we didn't do it, it would be worse. theco of healthcare -- cost of healthcare in this country, and run away cost of benefit would eventually show startling differences. this is going to be bigger savings than we appreciate or realize because the system we have now is broke and really going to break. >> it's true that the system we have now is broken and needs repair...

You might not be able to afford all of these, or get into this. just for argument's sake -- dartmouth college grads median mid-career salary, $129,000. m.i.t., harvard, harvey mud, stanford. also on the top of the list, notre dame, penn, princeton. the big prestigious schools you probably heard of. let's talk about the degrees that pay off. engineering really dominates this list. my poor dad, he really wanted an engineer. he didn't get any engineers. aerospace engineering, chemical engineering, computer engineering, electrical engineering, these are mid-career median salaries above $100,000. e...

It. if you want to give us 30 or 40 pages maybe we'll take that. that's not compromise. that's domination. for compromise to occur the majority party has to collaborate with the minority party, write legislation with them. that's not what has happened. that's not what is happening now. they're telling us they're going to move this thing through. they're telling us that's not what's going to happen tomorrow. >> let me ask you a couple questions if i can about some of your ideas. some of the questions that have been raised about some of the things you put forward. medicare, for example. paul kru...