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To say this is singling out someone that i revere that would be a huge story. >> but let me tell you why it's different. it's different because donald trump used his rich daddy's connections and networks and money to dodge the draft. to concoct a made-up story about bone spurs that do not exist. while john mccain was serving since the age of 17. while john mccain had every bone broken, you know, because you know mccain. mccain lived in pain. he lived in pain the rest of his life, physical pain and never once complained. >> let adolfo respond and we have to go. >> if this were in a vacuum i wou...

Reopened. the question is, were they willing to give at all on the amount of funding? and the big question is, has there been a conversation with the president where the president has said i'm going to go go ahead and do the wall another way? >> that's one of the things that manu was getting at there. there is a sense among the republicans that if they agree to something, it will be hard for the president to say no. adolfo, we don't expect that the president will get anywhere near the $5.7 billion for a border barrier, if any new, real money at all. what do you think he might be willing to acc...

It down that i heard of. >> the mayor is not calling for that. david gergen, go ahead. >> i think we ought to keep very clear in our minds the distinction of a wall, 30-foot concrete wall, especially, paid for by the mexicans especially, and continuation of putting more barriers up of the kind that we've seen under the obama administration. i mean, to proclaim this, the president got something really, really measured out of this, i don't think, fits the facts. he is likely -- i'm sure they will not describe this coming out of there on both sides as a wall. maybe the republican also call it tha...

Especially, paid for by the mexicans, especially, and continuation of putting more barriers up of the kind that we've seen under the obama administration. i mean, to proclaim this, the president got something really, really measured out of this, i don't think fits the facts. he is likely -- i'm sure they will not describe this coming out of there on both sides as a wall. maybe the republicans will call it that, but the democrats won't. they'll call it a barrier. and there is a distinction. >> david gergen, adolfo, kierstin. thank you so much for being with us. as i said, this got a lot more in...

>> decked out in adolfo and having her own big hair and lots of jewels and being a movie star. i mean, she knew -- she knew what to do. she'd been working with stylists and makeup artists. so she knew how to look grand, and she did. >> she was instrumental in turning red from being the color of communism to the color of republicanism. she had those beautiful red dresses. and that certainly became part of a kind of reagan look. >> the reagan model of, let's all be grand and beautifully dressed and at least look like we've spent a lot of money, certainly had a huge impact on how americans wanted...