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That are not informed by the facts and when we're making decisions that affect hundreds of millions of people then we can potentially be harmed by that. the reality is that climate is changing. humans are responsible. we have checked. over 150 years. we really are sure of that. and the impacts are serious and increasingly becoming dangerous and we have to act and that's where the politics comes in. we need robust bipartisan discussions and debates over what the most important solutions are. >> all right. we'll continue this conversation another time about how we achieve that political action. ...

Roosevelt in the first hundred days, audacity, speed, bringing the people along early in the process. that's when i think progressive change happens. >> but you also -- i mean, to me the lesson also is you pay a cost politically for that. barack obama passed obamacare which i think in the future will be looked at as a great achievement. i think it will be politically popular, but it was not popular at the time. the polling shows it, he got punished at the polls, his approval rating went down. you've experienced that. you've had approval ratings go down a bit. i think my personal opinion is you...