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Turns like it's been nailed shut. there's been 150 tons of steel behind it. that was true. we saw it with obamacare, we've seen in the the stop and frisk policies here. have you learned things about what it takes to get from point "a" to point "b." >> obamacare ultimately succeeded. do we wish it had been a smoother road? of course. pre-k is succeeding. the reduction of stop and frisk has succeeded and crime is down. i think these things are possible. it involve asnes audacity. i think all we need to learn we got from franklin delano roosevelt in the first hundred days, audacity, speed, bringi...

Roosevelt in the first hundred days, audacity, speed, bringing the people along early in the process. that's when i think progressive change happens. >> but you also -- i mean, to me the lesson also is you pay a cost politically for that. barack obama passed obamacare which i think in the future will be looked at as a great achievement. i think it will be politically popular, but it was not popular at the time. the polling shows it, he got punished at the polls, his approval rating went down. you've experienced that. you've had approval ratings go down a bit. i think my personal opinion is you...

>> so talking about the campaign you have here and now actually having the job. i've watched numerous times in which you can build consensus around certain policies and you think you're going to be pushing on an open door and then it turns like it's been nailed shut. there's been 150 tons of steel behind it. that was true. we saw it with obamacare, we've seen in the the stop and frisk policies here. have you learned things about what it takes to get from point "a" to point "b." >> obamacare ultimately succeeded. do we wish it had been a smoother road? of course. pre-k is succeeding. the reduct...