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violence or extremism or things that are said and shouted that, you know, perhaps in the moment they didn't mean it, but then it becomes something else. i think what is interesting about everything that's happening at the world cup, especially all of these governments that are extremist governments that are trying to shut people up and shut women up, right? they're doing their own agendas harm because they're calling attention to their own extreme agendas and to their own dictatorships and autocracies, and you're seeing not just in iran but in china that that is starting to back ffire. is this going to change tomorrow or next week? no. but as the places in those countries, the populations get younger and younger, they're becoming more defiant. >> i tell you -- >> hopefully that is going to lead to change. >> your point is so well taken. the united states, we at times live in a glass house, and we throw stones. there's varying degrees of the

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