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Investigation in the criminal probe. why are we throwing out the credibility of the organization with the political back water. >> liz, i wonder for folks at home following this for some time, there are some remarkable allegations being leveled at u.s. law enforcement intelligence agencies here. right? talk of a secret society, a deep state, treason. these are words thrown at the agencies -- let's be frank, they need oversight. but they're also agencies whose job it is to cope the country safe. >> yeah wsh i think i teach constitutional law there is a problem in terms of the separation of powe...

He is being talked about in near religious terms. a lot of people putting hopes and dreams on this guy. afflictle as far as we no know. what's the upside and down side of the president's reliance on generals. >> the up i'd is these are men, worldly men, nonpartisan not part of the swamp that trump talked about so much as a candidate. they know how to run large organizations, disciplined. that's the up side. the down side nef a very nonpartisan tradition of the u.s. military. and they have respect as individuals i think as they are known to be nonpartisan they're getting sort of put into this p...

Policy. also with us from seattle retired four-star u.s. army general barry mccaffrey and msnbc military analyst with experience in government and military throughout the world. james, terrific piece, well researched and written. i recommend it to everybody. let's start with kelly. who i'm afraid a general and not a cardinal. he is being talked about in near religious terms. a lot of people putting hopes and dreams on this guy. afflictle as far as we no know. what's the upside and down side of the president's reliance on generals. >> the up i'd is these are men, worldly men, nonpartisan not pa...

To quiz him if they would do it hard enough. and i mean they can be tougher nan the media. right. >> and nernd it's like a murder board before you go in oral argument it should be harder than the case that's clearly not what's happening. . i said two noontimes nights ago the management of this and the timing all the process pieces were terribly mishandled. you all have been talking about another one which is the changing narrative. and that just goes to the original point. this is a repeated problem. the management of the psa repeated problem in the first four months. >> can we just talk about...