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Attorney to do just that and then to just look through that person's life and look for anything that you possibly can at and choose to say. what you find in any person's life that might run afoul of the law. t of anation investigation of a person who is a public figure can n ruining, can rwh be politically damaging. not even if you find anythinui, just the fact that the investigation itself exists. ast well, eric, it's almost like you've done this before. this country can smell injustice. they're using the entire system to keep the man down. >> some people can. relateople >> what do you think ...

Daniels, he made comments on it president joe biden himself has commented on the verdict and he sight they cite in their letter, even the upcoming presidential debate that you will be moderating is another reason why this gag order should be lifted. so they sent this letter to the judge yesterday. it just became publicly available and we're waiting for the judge's response on this. now, previously a spokesman for the court he said that the order speaks for itself and the language in the order does say it would continue to be in place through the proceedings. exactly when those proceedings are ...

Received uniform praise from those who were at the stage or at least agreement he did the right thing. what if donald trump takes on mike pence relative to how pence handled the events of january 6th? after all, that goes right to the heart of this prosecution. then does he run afoul of the gag order? >> he will run afoul of the order if his words appear to be intimidating either what pence might say in another case or this case as a witness, or appear to be intimidating to other folks who might be witnesses in the case. it's going to be contextual. the first amendment is not black and white. ...

Right thing. what if donald trump takes on mike pence relative to how pence handled the events of january 6th? after all, that goes right to the heart of this prosecution. then does he run afoul of the gag order? i should have said order, not gag order. >> he will run afoul of the order if his words appear to be intimidating either what pence might say in another case or this case as a witness, or appear to be intimidating to other folks who might be witnesses in the case. it's going to be contextual. the first amendment is not black and white. free speech is not black and white. in particular...

Line from insult to intimidation. he he can attack politically. what he cannot do is intimidate him or anyone else who might be a witness in this trial so that they might change their testimony or be too scared to engage in -- to truthly and effectively show up in this process. that will be a tough job for the judge, but i'm sure he's up for it. >> you're channelling potter stewart, i think. it's the old it's very hard to define exactly what we're talking about that would run afoul of the order that enabled his release. you get the final word. >> so what's going to matter here is how direct ar...