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Them to put money into the districts of republican state senators who might face election challenges if they take a vote with him because those senators know that the wisconsin public doesn't favor this draconian legislation which he has introduced. >> now ask me -- in the state of wisconsin afscme today filed a complaint with the wisconsin employment relations commission. what can you tell us about that and what does it mean? >> well, what it means is we've done two things actually. and this is late breaking news. i happen to be the lawyer for the wisconsin state employees union afscme counci...

Them to put money into the districts of republican state senators who might face election challenges if they take a vote with him because those senators know that the wisconsin public doesn't favor this draconian legislation which he has introduced. >> now ask me -- in the state of wisconsin afscme today filed a complaint with the wisconsin employment relations commission. what can you tell us about that and what does it mean? >> well, what it means is we've done two things actually. and this is late breaking news. i happen to be the lawyer for the wisconsin state employees union afscme counci...

Host of "roll call tv." guys, great to see you today. karen, i want to begin with the financial part of this equation, so to speak. afscme, the nation's largest union, spent 87 million bucks in the midterm election. that was the biggest single source of independent funding, even more than karl rove's conservative group. so how significant would it be if the power of the unions was busted, dismantled? >> right. well, one thing i want to remind people, though, with afsme, we know where that money came from versus karl rove's funds, we don't exactly know where all those monies came from. so i thi...

Now to politics in this country, it's not only the budget to play in wisconsin. the battle between the governor and unions may represent a new political dynamic with huge implications for 2012. nbc news political analyst howard fineman writes in the huffington post, "the underlying strategic wisconsin story is this -- o'governor scott walker, a tea party-tinged republican, is the advance guard of a new gop push to dismantle public sector unions as an electoral force, reducing the union structure and membership will make it harder for democrats and their allies to communicate directly with work...

Live when it comes. and we'll talk to chuck todd at the white house about what it may mean for the future. let's start in wisconsin. marty beals, executive director of the wisconsin chapter of afscme. is this the battle of the alamo for labor in this country? is this the big one? this is a defines moment. grounds for labor. we're going to make sure we win here in wisconsin. >> what do you make of the fact that other guys are jumping on this. here's chris christie who seems to have the hot and among conservatives, jumping on this issue, then i want your reaction, sir. >> i haven't gotten knit...