threat. but moscow has been signaling displeasure that washington recently green light getting ukrainian attacks on russian territory with us supplied-weapons speaking ahead of the cube and naval visit, vladimir putin warned of a possible russian response. easley, and you put it today in the west lai weapons to the zone of combat operations and call for the use of these weapons against our territory. then why do we not have the right to do the same? to mirror these actions? i m not ready to say that we ll do it tomorrow, but we of course, should think about it elsewhere moscow has been stepping up tactical nuclear drills to staging exercises with neighboring belarus near the ukrainian border. russian tactical nukes delivered from either ground or air can level entire cities or the kremlin insists it has no plans at this stage to use the matthew chance cnn moscow. thanks so much for joining us. the situation room begins now happening. now, breaking news, hunter biden s historic guilty verdict on three felony gun charges, becoming the first child hello, to the sitting us president to face conviction. we re getting new reaction from the defense team, the special counsel, the first family, and the trump campaign plus new tails, new details are emerging from donald trump s probation interview that could weigh on judge juan merchan, sentencing decision. what trump told me officials about a firearm. he didn t turn over to police after his indictment. and what that means potentially now that he s a convicted felon also tonight secret audio recordings to taken by liberal activist are raising new questions about the neutrality of the us supreme court. justice samuel alito s comment it s about religion, are raising eyebrows. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i m willing or a year in the situation room the skis, cnn breaking news the breaking news tonight, that president biden in delaware right now after a jury convicted his son, hunter biden on federal gun charges, are chief legal affairs correspondent paula reid has the latest developments of the conclusion of this historic trip president joe biden, son hunter, left federal court in wilmington, delaware today, a convicted felon, a jury of six men and six women, took less than three hours to find him guilty on three counts related to a 2018 gun purchase a few jurors spoke to cnn after court adjourned. one question, whether the case should have been brought in the first place, saying it seemed like a waste of taxpayer dollars, but another juror told cnn that this was a legitimate pursuit. i mean, do you think that this was a legitimate use of taxpayer resources to bring this case? yes. i do believe it, despite feeling badly for hunter and his battles with addiction, the 12 jurors agreed that they had no choice but to convict all 12 jurors. did agree that yes, he know and laying bought a gun when he was an attic or he was addicted to drugs and the jurors interviewed by cnn said politics played no role in their decision. those are inviting never really even came in to play for me. his name was only brought up one store in the trial and that s when i that s when it kind of sunk and a little bit, but you kind of put that out of your mind. president biden released a statement after his son s verdict saying, in part i am the president, but i am also a dad jill, and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today and i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal hunter also issued a statement after court thanking his wife and supporters saying i am more grateful today for the love and support i experienced this last week from melissa, my family, my friends, and my community, than i am disappointed by the outcome. special counsel, david weiss made a rare statement defending the case ultimately, this case was not just about addiction, a disease that haunts families across the united states, including hunter biden s this case was about the illegal choices defendant made while in the throes of addiction this conviction comes to the possibility of a decades in prison, hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. but that is the upper range of sentencing possibilities. it s widely expected here that hunter biden would face something far less. one of the jurors that we spoke with today said he doesn t believe that hunter biden should go to jail at all but the decision ultimately rests with the judge and we ll find out what she decides. we re back here likely in october for sentencing. there is no date set at this point, but is expected that it will happen before election day. wolf ball arena, delaware for us. thank you very much. i want to go to the white house right now. that s where cnn s kayla tausche is standing by. taylor what more can you tell us about how president biden is handling this conviction? well, well, if we can say that president biden is handling this emotionally and with his family i m late in-person, although the biden family has in the past sought privacy during events related to hunter s legal battles. but today, choosing a very republic show of support at the delaware air national guard, where you saw president biden hugging hunter, hugging his wife, melissa biden, and giving a kiss on the head to bone let s his toddler son to hunter and waleses toddler son, beau before hunter greeted the secret service members and many white house staff members before getting into his his own car. and leaving that scene. but this of course comes as president biden is seeking to wear two hats, one of both dad and president. and in that role president earlier in the day, he delivered remarks at a gun safety event everytown for gun safety is gun sense university where he was talking about all of the new the protections put in place by a bipartisan gun law that he and members of congress and promoted back in 2022 following the uvalde school shooting. and he was expected to announce a high volume of doj prosecution s on new gun crimes under that law, totaling more than 500. that statistic appeared in a doj press release but it did not appear in the president s remarks, the white house, when asked about why not they chose instead to point to the overarching message that president biden delivered. there. now as for what happens next, president biden has already been asked about the powers of clemency that he possesses as president and whether he would seek a pardon for his son he has said had no here s how that response came in will you accept the jury s outcome, their verdict no matter what it is? yes. and have you ruled pulled out a pardon for your son? yes. you have he was not asked about a potential commutation of a potential sentence, but the sentencing is currently expected to take place in the weeks before the election. wealth. kayla tausche at the white house for us, kayla, thank you. i want to dig deeper right now with our legal and political experts of course, khardori or former federal prosecutor, i ll start with you. what do you make of this fascinate the fascinating information we ve learned at least so far from jurors about how they reached this guilty verdict. well, it may think it s a testament to their honesty that the president s status as our commander-in-chief apparently did not weigh into there deliberations in any serious way. i do share the view of one of the jurors who described this as a potential waste of taxpayer money but nevertheless, that juror voted to convict hunter biden, understanding evidently that it s not that person s decision to decide whether or not the case should have been brought, but it was brought the judge the evidence and reach the conclusion that i think was largely unavoidable. jamal, let me get your thoughts and your mouth. simmons is with us. hunter biden, of course, is not a candidate. he s just the president s son. so what do you think the actual political impact of this conviction could be? i don t think there s going to be that great, but political impact, most people are not going to be swayed by this because most people have had some experience with their lives as the tragedy of addiction and gone down the road of what happens if people in their families who are addicted. so on one hand, you ve got the president signs and who is an addict? two substances on the other hand, you ve got a former president who has been convicted of 34 counts of hiding hush money payments to as pornstar mistress to keep her from going public during the midst of a presidential campaign. they re not the same thing. i think most voters know that alyssa farah griffin is also with us. alyssa, i want you in our viewers to listen to the house speaker mike johnson s reaction earlier today to this verdict. listen to this mr. speaker, you ve been saying two-tiered system of justice for some time. here s the president sayyed being convicted on three counts as that undercut your client it doesn t every case is different and clearly the evidence is overwhelming here. i don t think that s the case and the trump trials and all the charges that have and brought against couldn t have been obviously brought for political purposes. a hunter biden is a separate instance does this verdict elicit take the steam out of the republicans baseless claims about the weaponization of the us justice department of course, while it absolutely undercut said just taking a step back, we re in uncharted territory here were the same department of justice that indicted donald trump in the mar-a-lago documents case. and in the january 6 case, also just convicted the sitting president, son of a crime through a jury this is anything underscores that our justice system works without fear or favor despite the imperfections of it, it is something that works to be objective and i think it dramatically undermines this claim that it s a weaponized system. if you re an undecided voter, who d wasn t really sure what to make of the trump conviction. you her on the one side, on the right, that this was a weapon and on the left that no. a jury of his peers found him guilty. you re seeing this and i think you re saying, oh, wait, the system does seem to work regardless of who s who the name of the person that is on trial on kirsha, you were in the courtroom. my for much of this trial, hunters, sentencing, as we know, will likely take place in the fall before the election how much time, if any, is he realistically, realistically looking at? and does he have a chance on appeal? look, i would think he would be looking realistically at potentially months in prison if the prosecutors decide to seek a prison term and the judge is seriously considering it that would be consistent with sort of a first-time offender in this space. i m sure he will be arguing for a probation and he would have a good claim to probation given his history in and the uniqueness of this prosecution. but i think at the sort of the extreme he would looking at months, not not multiple years in terms of its appeal prospects. look, i do think he has a colorable appeal here based on his argument that the second amendment basically renders this prosecution unconstitutional and a prohibition it s not generally speaking, then as applied to him, unconstitutional. i have no idea how that issue will be resolved, but the supreme court has issued some very pro-gun rulings in this area. and if you were to follow the logic of the bruin decision to a t, there is a pretty good argument here that the laws under which biden was convicted are also unconstitutional as applied to him under the second amendment two, very interesting jamal or the timing of the verdict and eight, created a rather bizarre optics situation with the president biden delivering a previously scheduled speech, speech about gun safety. what just hours after his son was convicted on felony gun charges? the white house also later canceled the daily press briefing. is this a bad look for the administration? what do you think it s a bad day for the administration, but more importantly, it s a bad day for the president and for his son, but it s a bad day in a personal way, not really one about the administration and its policies. the president s policies aren t guns had been clear for a long time. he passed the assault weapons ban. but i just wanna go back to something we were at a minute ago with alyssa can you imagine a world where obama prosecutor, when after don junior, ivanka trump, while barak, while while donald trump was president he allowed that prosecutor to go after them, indict them, see them commit, can see them convicted, and then said he would not he would not pardon them. i can t imagine that world we all know. that s probably not the case. donald trump would i think we just lost, we just lost. that has a commitment to the rule of law that we just have never seen before. guard jamal standby, alyssa, the trump campaign statement reads in part, and i m quoting now, we read it this trial has been nothing more than a distraction from the real crimes of the biden crime family. is this verdict something the trump campaign can seize on politically? what do you think? so i actually see this totally different than jamal does. i actually think this could be a boon for biden. it s certainly doesn t help trump. and i think this sort of this statement afterwards spoke to the fact that if anything, it proves this point that the system is not weaponized, that donald trump s own conviction was legitimate 52% of americans approve of the conviction as many is 16% approve of the trump conviction so when you start dealing in those realities, electorally, knowing donald trump s name is on the ballot, not hunter biden s. i think they re realizing that this might undercut his biggest vulnerability, which is the fact that he is the first convicted felon to be running for president then 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new information right now about donald trump s interview with probation officials ahead of his sentencing and 34 felony counts our chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller, has been working as sources for us and he has excellent sources. john, this concerns a gun in trump s possession, right? that s right. well, if yesterday when donald trump and todd blanche met with probation officials in new york to do the pre-sentence report they went to a number of questions about where do you live, where do you spend more time? new york or florida. things like that. and it came to your new york city pistol license is suspended. there s three guns on a two were turned over to the nypd where s the third gun and they were told there s a gun in florida so new york probation officials decided that they would reach out to authorities in florida to address that. now what that means technically is that since his conviction on felony charges in new york state on may 30, donald trump has been a felon in possession of a firearm now you don t have to have that firearm on you. it just has to be somewhere where you have what they call constructive possession, where you have access to it, whether it s locked away or not. but that would be a serious violation of not just a us federal law but also florida state law for a convicted felon now, let s set that aside for a minute authority say this is a complicated defendant he lives a complicated existence. he doesn t carry weapons, he s guarded by secret service but this is a detail that they want to resolve and make sure that that gun is accounted for all right. good reporting. thanks very much, john, for that report. let s discuss this and get some analysis from former federal prosecutor, at least adamson and cnn senior law enforcement analyst, charles ramsey alise, could trump s admission that he still holding onto this gun impact potentially his sentencing. it s coming up. what july 11, how soon does he have to turn this gun? well, that s a good question. well, if i think technically he should have already turned this gun in as was just reported donald trump was convicted of a felony. and so at this time, he would be considered a felon in possession of the firearm. now, new york has a very clear road map to how defendant needs to surrender their firearms post-conviction, it s a little bit different when we re talking about federally or other jurisdictions, when the conviction happened elsewhere however the by the letter of the law, once he is convicted, he can no longer be in possession. so it is odd to me at todd blanche would have sat there as he made this admission and not thought of this before the interview, we need more information when he says it s in florida, is it it is house. did he surrender it? where is it but assuming argue window, it s in mar-a-lago. that s a potential problem now, directly to your question as to whether or not it will impact sentencing. again, it s the facts and circumstances is the former president holding onto the firearm and just refusing to relinquish it. i think that would be a data point. the judge were merchan will take into consideration. but is this really just a case of figuring out how to surrender it or is he in the process of transferring ownership? all of those details will matter. come sentencing de chief ramsey, as you know, in new york officials said this information will be passed along to florida police to quote, and i m quoting now, take whatever steps are necessary if trump doesn t voluntarily return his gun what authorities do you believe have to step in well, you know, i think not at this has come to light that they ll work toward getting that gun. he s not supposed to be in possession of the gun. he is a convicted felon. but this is a situation where, you know, he s really living in two different places. i mean, he spends a lot of time in new york also in florida. the one gun is in florida now he had two others that he surrendered last year shortly after he was indicted so he s already given up two of the guns. this is the one that s outstanding i really find it hard to believe that they would not make every effort to try to turn that in as soon as possible, or leases trump potentially at risk of being criminally charged for illegally possessing a firearm yeah. so i don t think he is now, again technically, could they charged him perhaps if the circumstances are correct, if it is in mar-a-lago, if it is within his constructive possession, then yes. it s a very serious charge. they could charge him federally i just looked into it prior prior to speaking with you, it carries a term of a potential ten years in prison of slightly old statistic, but from 2021, the united states sentencing commission said 96.9% of defendants charged with that crime. were, were sentenced to prison. so very, very serious, risky, which is why i don t know why todd blanche would have not made sure that the gun was surrendered to authorities prior to the psi, but very unlikely because he s still in between the conviction and sentencing. and there isn t a clear legal requirement of when and how he surrenders the gun in florida. chief ramsey, your the former police chief here in washington, dc. former police commissioner in philadelphia, is trump getting more leeway, right now or is it standard for convicted felons to take time? to return their guns well, is that standard for convicted felons to take time to turn in a gun i m not aware of that occurring with any degree of frequency, but i do think that they will make some allowances to give him an opportunity to turn to gun in i d be surprised if that doesn t happen now, he is guarded as john miller said, by secret service 24 hours a day, seven days a week, he has a nice guy. he s got, but earth of his life, he ll have that kind of protection. and so there s a lot going on. this is unprecedented. we ve never had a homer president convicted of anything and so now this is just one of those things. it s very serious. i m not trying to make light of it, but i would doubt very seriously if this is going to be something that s going to go beyond a day or two before that gun is located, turned in chief ramsey. thanks very much. at least adamson. thanks to you as well. just ahead, the us supreme court back in the spotlight today. here, what two justices are heard saying in secret recordings. i m controversial topics the most anticipated moment of dyslexia and the stakes couldn t be higher. the president and the former president, one stage two very different visions for america s future that cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine life, i d cnn and streaming on max reading that and yeah, that s not good happen huge things happen happens be there with three, learn more at rnc.com with armor all little bit of this protects you from a lot of that armor all less work, more clean start your day with nature. the number one pharmacist 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declining trust from the american public. those tapes obtained by rolling stone magazine captured us supreme court justices are weighing in on political matters cnn s jessica schneider has more tonight, no comment from the supreme court after two of its most senior justices and one of their spouses are heard on secret recordings discussing sensitive topics people in this country we re leaving embedded, keep fighting to return our country to a place the bodley names. i agree with you justice samuel alito speaking to lauren windsor during a dinner last week, hosted by the supreme court historical society windsor, a liberal activist posing as a devout catholic when talking with the justice, where he also addresses the current the polarization of the country that we can go the polar if i it is a matter of like winning. i think you re probably right now one side or the other, one side or the other i don t know i mean, there can be a way of working our way of living together, please it s different because there are differences fundamental things that really can t it s not like what the difference. this society condemned the secret recordings, saying attendees are advised not to discuss anything from the event windsor defended her actions today in an interview with cnn there s nothing illegal in dc about recording people so long as one person is a party to that conversation to people who want to pearl-clutchers about this yeah. please tell me how we re going to get answers when the supreme court has been shrouded in secrecy and really just refusing any degree of accountability whatsoever cnn has not independently obtained or heard the recordings in full, but they come after recent an ethics concerns involving the court, including controversial flags flown at homes of justice alito, flags at the justice said, were put up by his wife martha-ann alito, also heard on the audio where she addressed the flag controversy head-on you know what i want i want sacred heart of jesus glad because i had to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. exactly. and he s like please don t put up a flag. i said i won t do it because i m deferring to you. but when you are free of this nonsense, i m putting it up and i m going to send them a message every day, maybe every week. i ll be changing the flags. windsor also secretly recorded chief justice john roberts, who rebuffed her when she made a case for a more christian society we live in a christian nation and they are supreme court. so be guided know that we live in a christian nation. i know a lot of jewish and muslim hello, friends who would say maybe not. and it s not our job to do that job, the decide cases, especially and so far no comment on these secret recordings from the supreme court or from the job justices are from justice alito s wife. now the supreme court historical society, they hosted this dinner where the recordings were made. this is a yearly event and it s held inside in the court building. were members of the society are allowed to buy tickets for themselves. and one guest. and then of course, the gathering provides members this rare access to the justices as we saw in these secret recordings, wolf, it ll be interesting to see if any of their rules change after this secret recording. yes, it will. let s see if that happens. jessica schneider. thank you very much. i want to discuss this with our cnn legal analyst, steve vladeck. he s a professor at the university texas school of law. steve, do you see these comments from justice alito specifically as inappropriate? and is it reasonable to question his impartiality wolfe, i think what i m struck by in those recordings is the contrast between justice alito who, you know, for better, for worse, took the bait and who had no problem expressing views on subjects that you probably shouldn t have versus what we heard from chief justice roberts, which is basically what they teach in judge school, ought to be the answer when judges are asked to weigh in on contemporary political debates so i think justice alito is remarks are probably right up, if not over the line, wolf, the problem is putting them in context where this is not a one-off, where we re seeing so many examples of justice alito saying things like this in public suggested that he has very strong political views now he s having a hard time checking those at the door. well, if i think it s the aggregation of all of these public statements by justice alito. that s really the source of the cause for concern. because you know steve, this is the second controversy involving a martha-ann alito ginni thomas, also has faced questions about her political activities. so how does that impact perceptions of the us supreme court? yeah. i mean, i think there s no question that it has some bearing on public perception of the court. i mean, we really ought not to be judged by the actions of our spouses that certainly my wife s position about me but i do think it s worth stressing that the real question here is not can justice x participate in case why? the real question is, are the justices behaving in a way that is enhanced in public faith in the integrity of the court as an institution or not. and so for as much as justice alito has tried to suggest that the entire flag controversy are basically his wife s fault. i think his responses have not suggested that he is especially concerned about the message that the flag sent. his responses at the supreme court historical society suggest that he s not particularly concerned about being publicly associated with deeply, intensely divisive political comments and so wolfe, i think again, the question is whether if you look at this as a whole, there s reason to worry, not about individual justices in individual cases, but about whether there are justices on the supreme court who really do cede part of their job as picking a side and who are caring about when winning versus what we heard from chief justice this is robert, which is their job is to basically toe the line politically and decide the cases before them. we don t expect the justices to be saints, but we do expect them to at least appear publicly as if they are completely uninvestigated. and i think that s the concern that all of this behavior by justice alito by justice thomas, by their spouses is really brings us back to steve vladeck. thanks for your legal analysis. appreciate it very much. coming up newly on earth messages from the leader of hamas reportedly showing my, he thinks deaths of palestinians will help the terror groups war with israel will have a live report from the region just ahead june 19th, cnn celebrate juneteenth with special performances by john legend how do you lewbel, smokey robinson. we still have a lot of work to do. june celebrating freedom and legacy. wednesday, june 19 at ten on cnn. kate made progress with her mental health, but her medication caused unintentional movements in her 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prime minister benjamin netanyahu reaffirmed his commitment to the current deal on the table that was detailed in speech 11 days ago by president biden the pressure now increasingly on one man alone who started this war and could end it. yahya sinwar, the military leader of hamas. sinwar helped mastermind the horrific october 7 attacks and is suspected be hiding out in the tunnels under gaza exactly where is unknown our frehse reports out today from the wall street journal details messages between sinwar and hamas officials participating in the ceasefire talks in doha. the exchanges show that the terrorist leader thinks he may have the upper hand in the current negotiations. quote, we have the israelis, right where we want them. sinwar allegedly said in recent messages, these stunning messages which cnn cannot independently verify, reveal his frame of mind as this war drags into its ninth month with the palestinian death toll climbing sinwar row quote, these are necessary sacrifices, and this is why us officials believe sinwar has had little incentive to broker a deal, not only with israel refuse to stop fighting, but the pressure we ll continue to mount on israel daily, which sinwar believes is to his benefit the israeli military responded to these messages saying, quote, hamas leaders don t care about gazans. how many times did they have to say it for themselves before the world believes them? and as blinken continues to push for a deal that could eventually end the war, he took game let s sinwar, are they looking after one guy who may be for now safe varied i don t know ten stories underground somewhere in gaza. while the people but he purports to represent continue to suffer in a crossfire of his own making or will he do what s necessary to actually move this to a better place? now the early response from israel, wolf is not setting a tone of positive momentum here according to cnn contributor barak ravid and israeli official characterize that response coming from hamas as a rejection of the hostage deal that was put on the table according to another source hamas put forth multiple proposed amendments, including a timeline for a permanent ceasefire and complete israeli fully withdrawal from gaza. of course, it making it clear that that permanent ceasefire, which israel has resisted coming to any agreement that it would lock it into a permanent ceasefire remains a sticking 0.2 farro, we ll see what the secretary of state says on this as the us has not given its evaluation yet, well critically sensitive moment right now, kylie atwood in amman, jordan for us thank you very much coming up. the us attorney general, merrick garland, response directly to house republicans as they move to hold him in contempt of congress. a key member of the house oversight committee is here. we ll discuss when we come back the cnn presidential debates, june 27th at live on cnn and streaming max, if you have chronic kidney disease, you can reduce the risk of kidney 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attorney general, merrick garland is out with a new opinion piece in the washington post defending the us justice department from republican good attacks. and it reads in part, and i m quoting using conspiracy theories, falsehoods violence, and threats of violence to effect political outcomes is not normal. the short-term political benefits of those tactics will never make up for the long-term cost to our country. close quote. let s discuss this in more democratic congressman ro khanna of california. contrary, thanks for joining us. the attorney general s your heard us taking a rare step to publicly defend the us justice department, but does that potentially approach does that approach come with some risks i think guesses growling attorney general garland is a patriot i mean, he was a judge. he s devoted his life to public service. he started out at the justice department. he s standing up for the civil servants. most of the people at the justice department are not political appointees. and he s saying, let s administer the rule of law fairly. don t attack them on another issue of hunter biden s felony gun conviction today, you sit on the house oversight committee shortly after the verdict, your committee chairman james comer, said, and i m quoting him now until the department of justice investigates, everyone involved in the bidens corrupt influence, peddling schemes. it will be clear department carpenter officials continue to cover for the big guy, joe biden. how do you respond to the committee chairman it said that he s politicizing this look, the verdict is very sad. under biden faced addiction, he overcame addiction and the president has said that he respects the process, but this had nothing to do. with what comer is investigation was about that covered no wrongdoing. and i think most americans will say, we know someone who suffered addiction. we understand that and it s just a sad situation. you think hunter biden s conviction, congressman, will have any political impact on the president no. other than showing the american people that a, he follows the rule of law. you haven t heard him criticized the judge. you haven t heard him criticize the jury and be his loving father, and that he really cares respects then myers, a son who s overcome addiction, went through incredible grief at the loss of his brother and he s a decent father. let me quickly turned while i have you congressmen to the israel-hamas war the us back ceasefire plan appears to be in turmoil right now, is mediators are parsing through hamas is response and push for prime minister netanyahu to publicly sign-on what we re leverage does the us have to get each side closer to accepting a deal? well, the united states i think has laid out a very reasonable pragmatic position on a permanent ceasefire, one that i wholeheartedly support. i hope hamas, accepts it even if sin, sinwar is an accepting and maybe the other hamas leadership will accept it. it s going to save pelosi allies and i hope netanyahu accepts it because it is the only way to get the hostages out. and it s the only way to start to bring peace in that region and have new governance and palestine with the saudis, uae, jordan, and egypt. the president has been right and putting this fall forward and i hope secretary blinken will prevail on both hamas and israel we shall see congressman ro khanna. thank you so much for joining us and we ll be right back. alder james is cold, calculating, cynical, and needs the money not only was the cia compromise, he also was compromised, secrets and spies. a nuclear games sunday at ten on cnn. you give, and you give. now you get with straight talk wireless, you get unlimited data and you get to choose who gets on your family plans starting at just $25 a line, doesn t have to be family more leinz more savings switch to straight talk for plants starting as low as $25 a line kinda riva support your brain health. mary janet, hey edey know, fraser, franck, 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marc board in washington and this is cnn newly revealed comments by donald trump are thrusting pop star taylor swift back into the political spotlight and raising some eyebrows about his focus on her appearance, seen as brian thomas on the story for us, brian, the former president seems to be a fan of taylor swift, but not necessary clearly, over politics, right? well, the foreign president says he believes taylor swift is liberal and that she probably doesn t like him. aside from that, he s a few sieve in his praise of the pop star, especially her physical appearance she s captured the heart of kansas city chiefs star tight end travis kelce, and the attention of the former president of the united states in november interview for an upcoming book, excerpts of which are published in variety. donald trump was asked his thoughts about pop superstar taylor swift trump gushed saying quote, i think she s beautiful, very beautiful. i find her very beautiful trump then digressed saying, i think she s liberal. she probably doesn t like trump, but then he went back to talking about swift s appearance, quote, i think she s very beautiful, actually unusually beautiful. these are very donald trump quo, you know, he obviously he doesn t know much about taylor swift. so it s easy for him just to turn and look at her looks and comment on what she looks like one democratic strategist says, this could be a case of trump trying to get on the good side of the wildly popular singer. i think that he doesn t want to accept this 50s. i think we all know what happens when that when we awake a giant of the swifties, this comes as many in the political sphere are wondering, will swift endorsed joe biden as she did in 2024 years, analysts say swift was reluctant to get into polish her dad was really scared for her to step into the political arena because we know that comes with a lot of backlash no matter which sayyed your on in 2018, swift finally jumped in endorsing to democratic congressional candidates in tennessee, where she owns property hoping that i know is right. and you hey guys i need to be on the right side of history in a netflix documentary about her swift is captured in an argument with her father about getting involved in politics. she was critical of republican marsha blackburn, who ended up winning that senate race in tennessee she votes against against fair pay for women. she votes against the re-authorization of the violence against women act, which is just basically protecting us for domestic abuse. using stocking stocking, political analysts say both trump and biden need to cultivate the taylor swift voting demographic. this is one of the more popular entertainers musicians, and the world right now and it comes at a time where both candidates are also fighting for that younger vote for the younger generation some trump s supporters may already be skeptical of taylor swift and her politics in january pro-trump broadcasters and politicians put out conspiracy theories implying that the nfl had rig games and favor of the kansas city chiefs to promote swift and travis kelce and give them a platform to endorse president biden, none of which, of course, was even remotely close to being true wealth. how instrumental has taylor swift been in getting out the vote? this is why the biden and trump campaigns both want her on their side, wolf last year in september, she put out a message on instagram asking young people to register to vote according to tracking agencies. as a result of that in just one day, about 35,000 people registered to vote. that s how much sway she has especially among younger voters, turn biden both desperate for that demographic. vy
chambers hopes this is one step toward politicians actively campaigning for voters behind bars in clark county. you have potential victory is lying in those sales at least for now. i want to i guess is it makes a huge difference night, i step toward voters like elliot carver hall, having their voices heard it felt a little bit of empowerment, a little, just a little bit, a little tiny bit sara marie joins us now from las vegas. so this is the first time these voting booths had been used. how did the process go? it went pretty smoothly, although there were voters who showed up to vote and found out they were actually registered in a different county or in some cases, in a different state which is indication of the education gap that still exist for those who are behind bars. there were dozens of folks who wanted to vote from the jail today and we expect that that s cut number is going to be even larger when we get to the general election in november. this was sort of a dry run for the big event coming up, anderson be interesting to do polling and see if they re running for sara marie. thanks. the news continues right here on cnn outfront. next, breaking news, president biden, now it is son side behind closed doors after you re biden was found guilty today. and if federal gun case, tonight, a member of the jury who helped convict biden speaks out. you ll hear plus more breaking news this our federal agents arresting eight people from tajikistan with two suspected ties. i m sorry to isis after they entered the us through the southern border, tonight, we re going to take you to one of the dead please. stretches of that border. and martha and alitos secretly recorded threatening to put up more flags to counter the quote pride flag. that s going up nearby. her neighbor, who s at the center of the controversy over alitos flags is outfront tonight. let s go out front and good evening. i m marion burnett outfront tonight. the breaking news, president biden rushing to his sons, sayyed tonight. hunter biden greeting his father on the tarmac of the delaware air national guard base just hours after hunter biden was found guilty on all counts of lying about being addicted to drugs when he bought a gun today s verdict historic hunter biden is now the first child, sitting president to be convicted of a crime. and the first family is now grappling with the fallout of the jury s verdict. a verdict that came incredibly quickly, just three hours so fast. in fact, it caught almost everyone off guard. firstly, jill biden, who was attended the trial almost every day. been commuting back and forth from france was unable to get into the courtroom and time to hear the verdict yourself. and according to people who were there inside that room, hunter biden stared straight ahead as the verdict was read, stone-faced, showing little emotion. afterwards, though he could be seen hugging family members a close biden family friend, fran person who was with the bidens today gives us this statement tonight out front says there was nothing but love in that room with hunter after the verdict. abbe lowell and his team put up the best defense he could ask for hunter was incredibly strong and gracious. look at how good hunter looks today. sober, going on for years. it is remarkable how far he s come and he will be a powerful force story of redemption and hope for attics and their families that love conquers all. now, hunter biden could face up to 25 years in prison and a fine of up to $750,000 in a moment, we re going to hear from one of the jurors about the discussions that took place inside that jury room and those few hours of debating as the 12 men and women deliberated it really is incredible when you take a step back here, you ve got the president s done, just found guilty, criminally, less than two weeks after former president trump was found guilty and is now a convicted felon both are now awaiting sentencing. and yet the reactions from biden and trump could not be more different just hours after his son was found guilty, president biden spoke to the nation s largest gun control groups. so he s actually i had a gun control group. he did not mention his sons conviction. he did not talk about a corrupt judge or rigged trial or which time. instead, he released this statement separate from his speech. i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. priscilla alvarez is out front. she is live in wilmington, delaware and evan perez is outside the courthouse. i want to start with you, though, priscilla, because i know you ve got some new reporting on this last-minute trip by president biden to delaware. so what is the biden family doing right now? how did this all come together as far as your learning era and the president and his family are huddling behind closed doors here in their residents wilmington tonight after the president rights only hours ago and was greeted by his son, hunter on the tarmac. now, this was a last-minute trip with sources telling cnn that it was floated late monday night, but came together after the verdict was reached and finalize with the president arriving here again, only a couple well hours ago. but of course this is a family that has often come together over the course of the trial. the first lady in the courtroom, multiple times as these legal proceedings were underway and even coming back from france briefly to attend the trial. and that really underscores the delicate and difficult balance that this president has had to strike with his foreign travel in recent days. and also as these deeply painful family moments, we re planning out in this trial and publicly now, the president did release the statement earlier today, and it was a statement that was frayed seen through the lens of a father, not so much a president where he talks about the resiliency of his son, but also said that he would accept the outcome of the case of the president has previously firm that he would not pardon his son. now, also, hearing wilmington is the biden campaign headquarters and sources telling us that as far as tonight, it is business as usual usual for this very sensitive and delicate issue for the biden family. all right. priscilla, thank you very much. in wilmington. and i d want to go to evan perez now because he s been in the courtroom throughout this trial every day you ve watched the jurors you ve watched the biden family there and i know you just spoke to one of those jurors, evan, what did he tell you well, erin this is? juror number ten. he s man in his stuff, these terms his from southern the southern part of delaware. and one of the things that we heard from the defense team as we were going through this trial was they believed that politics had a role in why hunter biden was even facing these charges. he said the defense team believe that the us attorney who was appointed by donald trump was essentially bullied into going after hunter because of criticism from house republicans and republicans in general. i asked the juror number ten, who did not want to be to show his face on television, whether their politics played any role in these deliberations. listen to what he had to say if anybody, was in that courtroom or in the jury room, they would know it was not motivated by politics politics played no part whatsoever in my mind no. i can t speak for the other jurors but nothing was nothing was ever said about this election year that was never brought up and aaron, we also he also told me that that the gun form that hunter biden signed back in october of 2018 when he bought the firearm that was the crucial piece of evidence in his mind and he believe that hunter biden lied when he signed it, and none of the other evidence from the from the from the defense to try to explain it away, really worked on the part of the jury one of the things that may come up by the defense team, they do they are weighing an appeal of this of this verdict is the fact that jurors never got to see a second oppression at that form, because the judge did not allow it. and so i asked the juror whether he believed that that would have made a difference. he said it would not have aaron sheep all right. i evan, thank you very much. outside that courthouse and having a chance to speak to turn number ten, which was obviously so fast thing is we d we d heard about the jury and their reactions and who they are all right. i m a panel with me now, katie rogers, i want to start with you because you have covered the biden family closely for a long time at the new york times and now we re seeing the president arrive in delaware, greeting his son. what are your sources telling you about how this has impacted president biden personally? well, i think everyone who has spoken to me who is close to the president and close to the bidens. they always really reiterate to me how much the president believes in his sons ability to stay sober. he s very proud on that level of his son and they always stressed to me that, yes, he is worried about the legal problems ahead for hunter biden, but he believes in his son s ability to continue his recovery. now, that said, the people close to him say that this is the thing that more than anything else he wakes up. if he s briefed by aids on gaza, the next immediate get thing is about his son or he is constantly in contact with his son. they speak at least once a day. so this is something that is going to add more weight to the president s mindset. he s already been quite worried about these legal problems, never having an end for his son. and this just adds to that, right? it didn t certainly at a crucial time in this case campaign. congressman buck, i wanted to play something else for you that juror number ten shared with evan perez about hunter biden. let me play it i did have empathy for him, for his addiction i don t wish that on anybody and especially correct. okay. let me let was the has to be a terrible dickson it comes from i think just significant that that juror says that after they unanimously convicted him on all counts. right. but still able to have that human empathy and obviously a lot of americans can relate to that who are dealing with this themselves or with others and their families, some sort sort of addiction the president though is to deal with the political side of this. do you think that he has managed this? appropriately as a father and as a president congressman yeah, i do. i think it s very difficult. you look at your son having an addiction like bad. the federal government, the congress obviously passed this law because folks who are addicted to drugs and buy guns are more likely to commit crimes. so certainly not a hunter biden category necessarily, but i think the joe biden president biden has done a great job of trying to stay above the fray and recognizing that his department of justice was a very difficult position attorney general merrick garland appointed a special counsel s so that that council would be independent and render independent judgment. and i think that people look at this case and recognize that it was done in an independent and fair way the idea that there may have been other crimes are really irrelevant. this this defendant totter biden, got a fair trial, a quick jury verdict, and i think that joe biden made the right statements after the verdict ryan, the thing is this this is not done for hunter biden or for joe biden, the whole family, right? he can still appeal just even on this case, i m i m talking separately from the tax case, which is very serious. but on this case alone, is this going to drag out for the remainder of election between sentencing appeals and all kinds of this process 100% because he s going to both appeal on the grounds that certain evidence should not have been excluded from the defense. and he s going to appeal on the grounds that under the second amendment, the constitution, that this particular criminal provision should be invalid and none of that is going to be sewed up before november. in fact, we ll probably at least a year from now before any of that gets stored up, even conservatively speaking, well, even conservatively speaking. all right, so that s a long time, katie, and it s certainly shows in terms of weighing on the president all the way through the election way beyond, but through the election i mentioned how joe biden, the first lady, was not able to get there in time today because happened so quickly. she wasn t actually able to be in the courtroom for the verdict but she was there almost every day. hunter sister was there is on its uncle a lot of other family members, his daughter testified ex girlfriends wives and we ve seen support from almost all of them on hunter and he s recovery. it has been something that clearly has damaged and hurt this family for a long time. they ve struggled with it what does the conviction mean, katie, for the whole family? i mean i think that this family has dealt a hunter biden has detailed his addictions over the years in various ways, whether it s through a memoir, through a lengthy magazine profile. but for the rest of this family, it s been a really long private, painful battle as we saw, this week during and last week during the trial. sorry these members of the biden family, onetime members of the biden family in current members recounted what was essentially they had all described as a held that they were in with him and a conviction is really the first time this very private battle has been laid bare for public consumption. so it s uncomfortable for them and they have had to sit there and here the shrapnel hit them yet again of hunter biden s choices have had to sit there and listen to him in his own words through his memoir, recount his drug use is a painful time for them congressman buck, president biden was asked about whether he would pardon his son right? on this crucial point, i want to play that exchange. it was with david muir let me, ask you will you accept the jury s outcome, their verdict no matter what it is? yes. and have you ruled out a pardon for your son? yes. you have congressman buck, how do you feel about this when he s saying that to show he believes in the system and he s not going to question it with a witch-hunt to rigged and all that, right? clearly, it is his son how do you feel? does he have to take this all the way to the mat? no. pardon? no commutation of his prison sentence, which by the way, he did not he did. not commit to or or do you think it would be appropriate and not hurt belief in the system if he were to commute his son sentence i don t think president biden wouldn t do anything until after the appeals are finished. number one, and that s going to happen after the election so he s going to have much more flexibility after the election whether he wins or loses to make a decision like this. now, if he were to engage in a pardon of president trump with president trump was victims of a federal crime at the same time that he pardon his own son. i think americans would understand a father doing that but i think he made the right statement at the time and that is i m not going to show preferential treatment to a member of my own family and a quick final word, ryan, just to be clear that this would go another year, you also have a very serious yes tax evasion charge, federal charge in california, which would carry significant present time that is underway. that s right. and the justice department said that it could carry up to 17 years in jail. and what s unfortunate for hunter biden is because you didn t do a plea deal. he will now have to convictions potentially steck up against each her to us sentencing guideline. the conviction that he just got today in delaware would count against him. he will not be a first-time offender if he is convicted in california. right. which could affect sentencing. i thank you very much. ryan. katie, and congressman, i appreciate all of you very much next trump and his supporters called the doj rigged and political. so what are they saying tonight? 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biden there are those some republicans who are coming to hunter biden s defense team format is outfront this is the first time that hunter biden has faced responsibility and consequences for his actions, political spinners on the right are spinning out of control in all directions. biden s calling the conviction of hunter biden a step toward accountability and kinda dumb and saying things like hunter biden might deserve jail for something, but purchasing a gun is not it. why is this verdict so confounding for the right? first, it is about a gun or some conservative politicians and advocates opposing gun restrictions. the case against hunter biden was an invitation to attack as father. so long as this president continues to use every tool at his disposal to harass and criminalized guns gun owner there s and gun dealers, his son should be receiving the same treatment and scrutiny as all of us. let s just do a little more shooting over here but other gun enthusiasts, while not fans of the bidens, leave the law in this case is unconstitutional. as a matter of principle i do not believe the hunter biden should be convicted of that anymore. that anyway well, now should hunter biden is not talking, but he is walking in right now second, this wasn t the case. republicans wanted for years. they have talked without evidence far-reaching foreign corruption, secret payoffs, and influence peddling tied all the way to the top. so after this verdict, the trump campaign quickly issued a statement this trial has been nothing more than a distraction from the real crimes of the biden crime family. and lastly, this verse predict came just a dozen days after donald trump himself was convicted of 34 felonies, even as he appeals a course, republicans have joined him in calling the courts corrupt their case against president trump has been a witch hunt from the beginning. this was not criminal justice. the entire thing is political, but now some conservative seem to be squirming, suggesting hunter biden s conviction must be a ruse. posting timing is everything. this is the veil of fairness in the justice system. so maybe it is a measure of how twisted up the right is on how to respond to all of this. that when the trump team put out that statement after the verdict and much i made all those crazy claims about the biden family. they then send out an edited version shortly thereafter because the first version at the end so they wish hunter biden well. and then in the edited version, they had dropped the well wishes. they didn t fix the false claims. they just dropped the well wishes clearly, this has the republican right saying, what are we supposed to do on this? because there are cross purposes on so many issues, aaron. yeah. i mean, well, you know, you say it s a rigged system when your guy s guilty and then the other guy s guilty and then all of a sudden what he is supposed to say. maybe they could have foreseen that possibility. all right. tom, form. and thank you very much. i want to go now to ty cobb, a former trump white house lawyer. so tie i mean, can you believe hunter biden gets convicted on all counts by a jury in a case brought originally by a special counsel who trump initially appointed us attorney somehow, it s not fair and square to many in the gop can you believe it oh, yes, i can sort of believe anything. i mean, it s a really crazy de marjorie taylor greene is out there making the rest of us look like geniuses. what she can do on it regular basis yeah. i think it takes away from the gravity of the moment which is you know, he he wasn t added. it was a sad situation that was tragic but it wasn t political and keep in mind that he did have the opportunity to take accountability for this year ago and the plea agreement build up then they decided that they would insist on their de and courting and they got it but i think it s i think this is has to be looked at on its own merits. so i mean, this was a case the evidence says the jurors juror who was interviewed said was overwhelming and they didn t put politics into it and i just ruled on what they saw, on what they were told, just like trump s urey did. and i think both jury s got it right based on what they were told to do and the evidence that was before them. but i think it is a crazy time because you have the president today. i ve given a speech on tighter tighter gun controls. yeah. and keeping guns out of the hands of felons and people who don t don t deserve them. and his sons on trial. i think yeah, it s just it s a crazy time in america full of folic contradictions, but, yeah, but this was, this was a sad day and i think it was inappropriate result. i don t think he s going to jail for very long. my off the cuff assessment is scheduled for 1016 months as the first defender and the judge may well go below that and give him a probationary sentence. who knows? yeah. it s not going to be a punitive situation and then he does have that serious tax case involving $7.5 million in taxes. so yeah. i mean, that s that and that ll be in september and that ll be in the heart part of the heart of the election. so i think it s very hard for republicans to insist that this is somehow a ruse. well, i mean it s sort of amazing. it seems to me that if you did get a guilty verdict here, that this would be something that everyone could say. okay. well, there was it can t say that it s rigged or during goes one way or the other. and yet somehow that there are still some finding a way to say this is basically a veil of as nancy mace said, congresswoman avail of fairness, write that this is all to distract you from it s frightening in some senses, but you mentioned that a convicted felon, right? can i have a gun? and obviously, you know, donald trump and in this context, we found out today tie that he disclosed in his probation interview that he had three guns. now he acquired them legally. obviously, he is now prohibited from having any as a convicted felon were you surprised at all but to hear that donald trump own three guns not really. and i think all the people are hyperventilating on this a little bit. i mean, it s it s sort of ordinary that it would come up in this context particularly for somebody donald trump it s not carrying a gun i never saw him carry ganim, didn t know him to ever carry a gun. he s got to see as a concealed carry registration in new york, but you re right. that s what he had and i understand that, and i think he obviously has these guns and he s going to have to pony him up but that s what that s really what this process is designed to do is to get all that, all that, all those requirements out of the way before he couldn t run afoul of any other laws after the time of being sentenced up, tied before you go. also today, trump asked aileen cannon, the judge in florida, mar-a-lago, to dismiss the classified documents case. and if she didn t do that, he asked her to throw it any evidence gathered during the fbi search of mar-a-lago? which sort of confusing and confounding because that appears to be the entire case as far as most of us understand it that s actually much of the case. it s actually not quite the entire case, but it s it s most of the documents, yes. that we re included in the indictment and the worst thing that could happen to him is that she actually does it in advance of trial because that will certainly be reversed abruptly by the 11th circuit and giving them the opportunity i m for that. they re dying for given the circus that she puts on to remover. all right. we ll tie. thank you very much. as always thank you, aaron tax. and next new secret recordings tonight of justice alito s wife talking about conversations with her husband about political flag it s at their homes like, oh, please don t put up a black alito s neighbor who is at the center of the dispute with the alitos is out front but next, plus breaking news, this our federal agents arresting eight to gq nationals 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obtained the full of audio you know what i want, i want sacred heart of jesus flag because i had to look cross the lagoon at the price the flag for the next month exactly. i made a flag in my head. this is how i satisfy myself. i made a flag is white and it s yellow and orange flames around it and in the middle is the word but goniometer that gunja in italian means shane gone yet vii car g, g they re gone shame, shame, shame anyway wow, shame, shame, shame on you spelling it out like that. such vehemence about the gay pride flag. those comments were secretly recorded by a liberal activist, journalists lauren windsor, who misrepresented herself to me this is alito as a sympathetic and like-minded admire her, but she recorded these conversations and we now know what was set out in front. now, emily baden, a former neighbor of the alitos in northern virginia. she s the person justice alito says provoked his wife and to flying the inverted american flag after a verbal dispute between the two a claim emily says is false and is backed up by police reports, which showed that the dispute actually happened weeks after the flag went up. so emily, i m glad to see you again what s your reaction now you hear this audio, you hear martha and alito a voice, you know, because you had conversations with her and she s saying she s going to fly these flags spelling this out, that she s going to fly a flag very gunja, and she spells it out. every letter to say shame that she wants to fly a flag against the gay pride flag. yes an erin excuse me. thank you so much for having me again, it s great to be with you again my first reaction to hearing this audio i think was the same as most other folks, which was absolute horror if there s one thing that is the basic job description of a supreme court justice. it is to remain impartial and with the upside-down flag, with the appeal to heaven flag samuel alito has shown that he is not impartial and yeah, hearing martha and talk about that, it s interesting because i was used as a scapegoat for why she flew the other flag and we know clearly that that s not true and she says you, you obviously interacted with her and in very negative circumstances at one point, which i ll ask about in a moment, but she when you hear her tone of voice here, that she s going to fly this flag against the gay pride flag that says virgo anya in italian means shame. and she says it and then she spells it out. she hits every single letter virgo kn. yes. she says again and then she says, shame, shame on you did that tone sound like the same woman, the same tone that you d heard yes it was defiance. it was just very, very clear that she wishes shame upon the lgbtq community and yeah, i definitely recognized the tone for sure. so that secretly recorded conversation went on for about six minutes. at one point, mrs. alito said her husband asked her to stop flying flags and she said she would do it temporarily. i want and to play that part of the exchange for you, emily, here it is nazis believed that he should control the hell. do you never can tell and he s like please don t put up a flag. i can i won t do it because i m deferring to you but when you are free of this nonsense i m putting it up and i m going to send them a message every day, maybe every week the change in the flag s, there ll be all kinds i mean, look, she you talked about how she glare at you, called you a fascist. she spat on your car. i know that you have said you regretted calling her, that that vulgar epithet but when you hear this audio, is this this is consistent with the woman that you interacted with it is. and i think it s only fair for me to point out that mr. and mrs. alito are essentially strangers to me and my my interactions with them are very limited. so i can t really make any type of comment on you know, they re their attitude or their mental state or just aside from the facts of what i witnessed and what i experienced, and i just want to bring that back to the facts of this whole situation that he showed allegiance to january 6, he showed allegiance to christian nationalism and it s just very dangerous for our democracy. and i think he opinion value are secular. he wrote, it, wrote an opinion actually, after a year after the upside flag was flown and it was actually about flags flying outside boston city hall i just wanted to read the operative leinz. again, this is after he himself had known these flags were flying at his homes. and he says, a passerby on cambridge street confronted with a flag, flag flanked by government flags standing just outside the entrance of boston seat of government would likely conclude that all of those flags convey some message on the government s behalf. so it s clear he s saying if they fly the flag than any reasonable person would think that you support what that flag stands for. and yet he s saying it s not the case when they fly at his own home is there any doubt in you did interact with him and i know he didn t really speak. you didn t say much in those interactions but is there any doubt in your mind that a supreme court justice sees the hypocrisy here so he must see the hypocrisy and maybe just doesn t care it seems to me that their behavior and these words maybe they feel like they re above the law. and a lot of ways they are. we don t have an enforceable code of ethics for the supreme court they essentially police themselves and that ruling is really important because it only proves me right, and it proves all of us, right? who think that he of course knew about the flags. of course, he he endorsed them and him making those statements to congress that oh, my wife did it. i don t know about it. oh, i did it because of a neighbor. those are lies and this is important for our country. we need to, we need to hold our elected officials accountable, and we need to have a congressional hearing. we need to enact term limits. we need to have an actual code of ethics that they have 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they ve been walking through a yes. they ve been walking for three days obviously, she s very emotional, says there s no food, there s no way when you think we re in a remote part of the arizona mexico border, getting here, not easy, took us about two-and-a-half hours from tucson. much of the drive off road with no cells signal and yet as desolate as this part of the border might seem, the trash and close literary in the gravel tell a different story. we find makeshift encampments were migrants, shield themselves from the scorching sun and wait for border patrol to pick them up she said three board. of ritual past about a little more than three hours ago and they assume they pick coming back and go, but they haven t seen them yet. this family fleeing cartel death threats and kidnappings were surprised hearing where they re from illness on negative limit heiko, mexico. and as we drive on, we meet another they make windows towards an encampment further down they may go from he s saying there s a bunch more that are coming from from mexico and he said, after the election of particular i felt the motivation to leave fearing the corruption and the lack of work. see what we end up steam because it s late getting near sunset, there s a huge and camp and mostly children a non-profits at this camp up for migrants who ve just cross are saying, please wait here, immigration is going to come and get you here and actually have wifi setup. most everyone here mexican what s up candy he said that they ve been getting a lot of threats and they said it was sort of the reason of the elections, it didn t vote for as they put it, the candidate who ended up winning on june 2, mexicans voted and local, state and presidential elections that campaign season proved violent and deadly. even the roman, she says that the reason they left us for reasons of security, which she says as now, everybody that we see here is from mexico, but they might not be in the us for law just days after mexico s elections, the biden administration took executive action on the order allowing first swift deportation of most migrants after a daily cap is reached. in nogales, arizona, we see those deportations up close. we counted probably a dozen people altogether most of them kids, about eight kids from what we could see getting off that bus and border patrol agents then escorting them directly flee to the border. and they ll continue walking them over right into mexico. what do you think does executive orders that going to do anything more in a rare encounter, we meet a border patrol agent eager to vent he asked us to mask his identity. worried, he ll be fired for talking to openly does it frustrate you when you hear that when you hear the narrative like wire border patrol doing anything don t blown off the mecole one he blames the current administration but isn t any more hopeful with the alternative, really to learn we meet others also frustrated by border policy, though, for more personal reasons. is, is this the only way that you can get face-to-face? yeah. litter carla pachinko crossed illegally nearly 30 years ago. she s recently gotten her work permit, but it s still waiting on a green card. i can be within the us how the mexico side that s her dad, freddie, who crossed illegally and was deported more than a decade back. they and other families meet here every couple of months to catch up. when s the last time you got to hug your dad? 15, 16 years ago. when you think about what s happening at the border now what what goes through your mind? yeah, well, it s unfair because we ve been waiting what has been 20 years, 20 six years, and nothing nothing was being here paying my taxes and not owing anything, no tickets or nothing. yeah. i don t get anything out of it. while washington focuses on illegal crossings and asylum claims cases like carlos have been put on the back back burner for decades, it s still freddie. once his next crossing to be done, laughlin, i wanted to take you write everything, you know with my passport every in legal even if it means waiting years, though it will happen the way i can wait await for border patrol at this remote section of the arizona mexico border unbearable for some. and so you re going to keep walking where cartel back smugglers often mislead migrants to think that once they ve crossed the hard part s over, it s not a struggled to push on and triple-digit heat kliger, the border wall for balance and shade ahead of them, i ll seemingly endless stretch of hills to climb aaron, i want to go back to that breaking news you mentioned just a few minutes ago those individuals was suspected ties to isis who were arrested, believed to have crossed over the us southern border. it s something i d actually asked our border patrol agent that we had connected with somebody who is very candid and open and he was concerned about some of the folks who are coming in. he said, look, the vast majority sure. are women and children 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you have donald trump who takes and weaponize is the seats of government, the seats of power, and embarks on a campaign of political intimidation in order to secure outcomes that personally benefit him. that at the core is part of the stakes of our democracy that are before us today. once rule of law goes out the window, it s not something that is easy to get back. it s very much a part of the decision we have to make in the next few months. thank you for all your time tonight. that s all in on this tuesday night . night . tuesday night. good evening, alex. we have some new exclusive audio from the supreme court historical society that lauren windsor has given us and we ll be playing that in the hour so stay tuned. will. like i said exclusive never before heard audio recordings of justice samuel alito speaking to an undercover progressive activist. that s what we have tonight. that is in addition to the bombshell reportings that were released poyesterday, and you l definitely want to hear these recordings when we play them. if you ve been wondering how those secret tapes were made in the very first place, how activists and judges on the highest court in this land, how they camehi to mingle behind closed doors, well, the answer to that begins almost ten years ago to this day, when the supreme court handed down a major decision. supporters of the hobby lobby cheered today s victory. the oklahoma family that owns the chain of 500 craft stores claimed that providing insurance coverage for some forms of contraceptives under obamacare would be the equivalent of paying for abortion. the court called the ruling startling. the hobby lobby decision. the majority opinion was written by justice amsl alito, and it was one of the first signs that conservatives on this court were willing to go after reproductive freedoms no matter the consequence. now, in the wake of the dobbs decision ten years later hobby lobby seems like the canary in the coal mine in more ways than one. in novemberys 2022 the new yor times offered key reporting about how the hobby lobby decision came to be. for years before the court heard the case, conservative christians have been engaged in a campaign called operation higher court. that operation was to personally court and influence the supreme court sth conservative justice. the effort was spearheaded by a man named reverend robert shank, who woulder recruit christian couples, who he called stealth missionaries, to gain access to theto judges and to impress upo themes the importance of conservative christian values. here s how the new york times described one of their strategies. reverend schenk gave his stealth missionary close instruction. the justice were more likely to let their guard down at the supreme court historical society s annual dinners because they were sure they d be properly vetted. see a justice, boldly approach, he told the couples. if given the opportunity bear witness to biblical truth but don t push it, he said. your presence alone at had historical society h events telegraphs a very important signal to the justices christians are concerned about the court and the issues that come before it. that strategy appears to have paid off. according to the times reporting some of schenk s stt missionaries were able to build enough of a relationship with justice alito and his wife, marketa anne, that they obtainea advanced notice of the court s hobby lobby decision before the camebb out. that breach, that unprecedented breach foreshadowed the leaked dobbs decision striking down roe eight yearswn later. and that specific strategy of using the supreme court s annual society historic dinners as a way tost gain access to supreme court justices, well, it turns out that, too, is velerant again just this week. it s a yearly event where wealthy donors give money to a non-profit dedicated to preserving the court s history, and in ouexchange for their mon, those donors get to rub shoulders with some of the justice and their spouses. as it turns out, conservatives weren t the only ones in on this tidy little arrangement. last week progressive activist lauren winder who happens to be a member of the historic society bought a ticket for the event. when she got in, she pretended to be a conservative donor, attending the event with her husband. ms. windsor approached some of the supreme court justices and secretly recorded her conversations with them. nbc news has not heard the full tape of what was recorded so we cannot say for full certain if edits were made if any were actually made. tonight we have some brand new audio from that event to play for you. and when you hear these new tapes, you will hear something familiar to what was on the tapes released yesterday. a justice, in this case justice alito, who is aggrieved and frustrated, who is nakedly partisan and totally unconcerned by appearing to be all those things in front of a total stranger. remember what we heard yesterday. as a catholic and as someone who, like, really cherishes my faith, i just don t i don t know that we can negotiate with the left in the way that, like, needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think that it sti a matter of like, winning. i think you re probably right. on one side or the other one side or the other is going to win.oi i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of working, a way of living together peacefully, but difficult, you know, because there are differences on fundamental things that really can t be compromised. they really can t be compromised, so it s not like you re going tomi split the difference. and that s what i m saying. it s just, i think that the solution really is, like, winning the moral argument. like people in the country who believe in god have got to keep fighting for that to return our country tot a place of godline. i agree with you. i agree with you. remember at this closed door cocktail party ms. winder was also able to get justice alito s wife, martha anne, to justify flying the two flags in front of their homes. these recordings this week would seem to suggest mrs. alito has no shame about what she be been doing here, in fact quite the opposite. she made clear these flags she flieshe are explicitly her formf resistance and response. you know what i want?at i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flag next month. exactly. and he s like oh, please don t put up a flag, and i said i won t do it because i m deferring to you. but when you re free of this nonsense, i m putting it up. i made a flag in my head, this is how i satisfy myself. i made a flag, it s white and it s yellow and orange flames aroundd it, and in the middle the word vergonia. vergonia in italian means shame. just to be clear justice alito hasr publicly stated his wife did not fly these flags to associate herself with the stop the steal movement or any other group, but it seems quite clear from that clip haze wife very much sees this flags as a form of political expression and a response to what she believes are liberal attacks. perhaps most concerning in these recordings, though, is martha-ann alito s five year plan for revenge. there s a five year defamation statute of limitations. i don t know what you mean by them. the media. martha-ann alito says she has a plan to get back at the media by suing for defamation and she thinks she ll have an opportunity to do that in the next five years when she s free of all this nonsense? is she telling all of us here about justice alit opg s retirement plans? and how concerned should we be a supreme court justice s spouse is talking about the american media with open contempt? tonight we have brand new audio from that same event where justice alito himself thinks what he thinks about the fourth estate, the press. the other voice you ll hear on this tape is an associate of lauren windsor s who was also as this event. i justis wanted to ask you w do you think the supreme court is so is being so attacked and being soso targeted by the media? well, i think it s a simple reason. theyle don t like our decisions and they don t like how they anticipate we may decide some cases that areom coming up. that s the beginning and the end of it, and there are there are groupst, that are very well-funded by ideological groups that haveic spearheaded these attacks. that s what it is. like who? propublica. propublica, gets a lot of you know, gets a lot of money. and they have spent a fortune investigating clarence thomas, for example. but they you know, they look for any little thing they can find, and they try to make something out of it. nbc news reached out for comment from both samuel alito and his wife martha-ann alito but we ve not heard back. lauren, thank you for being here. i knowk r you ve had a busy weo far. we re so appreciative of all that you ve said thus far and all that you have toou share wi us tonight. let me first start with the new sound your organization or your colleague has given us. there are two parts of this new this new tape that strike me as concerning. the first is justice samuel alito saying that the media is attacking him because the media doesn t like how they anticipate the court has decided decided cases and may decide upcoming cases. was that a window into what may be coming down the pike in the next two weeks? how did you interpret that? te i mean i definitely interpreted it as being a harbinger for bad thing tuesday come. did you get the sense when he was talking about the media and thenou specifically citing propublica, for example, on their extensive investigative reporting about clarence thomas alito is reading that these stories are very much beingor shared behind closed dos at the supreme court? i mean his media awareness seemed to be relatively high. oh, it s very high. and he already had a sense of grievance when i first spoke with him in 2023, but it was much more pronounced this year in the two conversations that both ali and i had with him. i k we talk about the context here? the fact is you and your colleague both had conversations with the alitos. for those of us who haven t been to the supreme court historical society events, is this what happens at, them? we now have two bombshell reports about conversations, advocacy campaigns happening between attendees andpp justices on the supreme court. it s interesting. i actually read that initial report in the the new york times about reverend schenk, and that s part of what played into my going in the first place, but i didn t read that report and think i should become a member now. it really was incited by the propublica reporting on clarence thomas. andngcl it s interesting that justice alito wants to rail about theha money taken by propublica for investigating, you know, public servants why clarence thomas is not disclosing millions of dollars in gifts from gop donors, and i have no idea what propublica s finances are, but as someone who is an independent journalist, i would imagine that the money that clarence thomas has taken probably rivals the budget of propublica in any given year. yeah, i mean it s such a good point. what did you hear in alito s sort of explanation for that? did you hear it almost seems as if there s certainly no contrition, but there s notce en ant acknowledgement that there was any wrongdoing on the part of clarence thomas in accepting potentially millions of dollars in unspecified gifts from conservativepe donors. i mean, you know, it s not verbatim but it s almost verbatim. making something out of any little thing i don t understand any little thing to be, you know, buying my mother s house or paying for my nephew s tuition or getting a free rv loan. and these are all things that he s accepted from gop donors. so it would be a much different story if this was just about vacations he was taking with harlan crow and his wife and family. most people would write it off as, oh, it was a trip. most people would not consider traveling with friends or associates as being something that s that big of a deal, but that s not actually what we re talkingot about with clarence thomas, is it? no, it s other order of magnitude we ve seen and it s been going on for years. you just a random member of the historical society is able to get even within shoulder rubbing distance of a justice and then grow him into conversation about some of the most incendiary topics of this country, which is the c partisan divide. how did it actually unfold when you were in the room with the justice? so it should be stated that in the guidance for the event thate historical society says you broach topics gnat are before the court, it may be grounds for you to be kicked out. so there was definitely a deliberative process in how do i approach someone in that you know, not only are judges supposed to be really the height of discretion, the height of, you know, judgments, right, this is the highest court in the land. this ishe aou supreme court jus, so i definitely went into this assuming i was not going to get anything newsworthy. in 2023 i did not get anything newsworthy, but i thought, you know, throughout the year that transpired, the media scrutiny on justice alito has intensified so much, and his grievance level is probably so much more peaked that unlike clarence thomas who did not show up to this dinner but has been reported to have shown up to it many times, and he didn t show up in 2023, by the way, that justice alito would probably attend anyway even though he was undergoing this very intense media glare, and sure enough he was there. and i think it was just something that i can t say what was in his mind, so i don t know if in 2023 he had the same level of grievance and, you know, it changed over the coursg of the year. sure. there s a couple options there. you know, did it changeorally was it always there and he just felt more comfortable? was it hard to get him to talk? at the very end of this conversation he says are you a lawyer? i think he s talking toou ali, yourki colleague. i mle not sure if it s you or h, but it s not as if you offered any biographical information other than you had a husband who s in the room. and i wondered how you got that piece of information. did you go up to him and start talking tort him? so the reason why i brought up my husband is that in 2023 i came with a male friend, so the context of it was we had a conversation after dinner in 2023 my male friend was with me, he was not with me in 2024, so when i saw justice alito solo it was one-on-one, it was, hi there, my husband really wants to let you know that we re rooting for you, you know, that you really have all the grit. and the reason why i said you have all the grit if it doesn t stick out tot people, this is because donald trump had tweeted something out about how there should be more justices like samuel alito with the grit that samuel alito has. and so i felt like it was kind of a flag, if you will to alito, that it was a safe space for him. a safe space, yes. i was trying to signal to him very coyly without saying trump because itit goes back to the w to broach a conversation with someone who has the highest level of discretion, you can t talk about partisanis politics. if i had walked up to him and started t talking about joe bid or donald trump, he would have shutdown. so talking about polarization was really a a way into the conversation that wasn t aggressive but also t indicativ of what he s really trying to get at, which is he acting on bias? and ie really do believe that e american peopleo deserve to kn is the supreme court so compromised that we do not really have impartiality, the bedrock of our judicial system. i think hearing it from his mouth that he cannot be impartial,nn that there are this that cannot be compromised. that needs to be fuel to tell us, look, what is it that can be compromised? you brought us into an environment and these tapes are regulatory and coming at a time of crisis for this court. it is we re not done having this conversation. thank you for bringing some of that conversation to our air. we re really appreciative. thanks for spending some time with me tonight, lauren windsor. thank you, alex. coming up this hour we have new details about trump s presentencing meeting with his probationth officer. turns out he is being treated differently, just maybeea not i the way he d like you to believe. but first hunterto biden joined donald trump in becoming a convicted felon facing possible jail time. does that mean the system is now unrigged? we ll get into n the republican response coming up next. get int response coming up next. president biden s son, hunter biden was found guilty today on three federal gun charges. you may think the maga conspiracy about president biden rigging the justice system, maybe you thought that s going to collapse. it did not. today is the first step for delivering accountability for the biden crime family. you ve been saying two tier system of justice, and here is the president s son being convicted. it doesn t. every case is different, and clearly the evidence is overwhelming here. do you think the department of justice is still weaponized against conservatives even though we still see this verdict here today? absolutely. when they tell there are school moms they re domestic terrorists because they don t like what s being taught in their classrooms and others things we can go into it but we can go into it, but we won t. a trump s campaign statement said hunter biden s trial nothing but a distraction of the real crimes of the biden crime family. republican james comer said the work will not be done until the department of justice investigates everyone involved in the biden s corrupt influence peddling schemes. this conviction is apparently a distraction from the real crimes of it biden crime family. is that strategy going to work? today s conviction was awkward. it was awkward for the talk this was all rigged, the biden justice department is rigged only against republicans, but we live in a world in which the reality and the facts have a hard time catching up with the spin. and you can see how deeply invested the republicans are about talking about the biden crime family. so it s not a shock they re going to continue to repeat those talking points over and over again, but i do think the contrast and reaction to the conviction of donald trump and the conviction of hunter biden has been very, very telling here. and, again, it s always difficult to know how it s going to play out. we may see this at the debate. i know the biden folks think this is going to come up at the debate. again, democrats have been making this point and the media have been making the point that, you know, there are a number of democrats who are facing indictments under under the biden justice department, not just the president s own son by a democratic senator, senator menendez, henry quer down in texas. if the system is so rigged, how do they explain that and the answer is they don t feel the need to explain at all, they re just going to go with the spin. when you talk about a reaction this was the statement from the president of the united states after his son is convicted of felonies. as i said last week i am the president but i m also a dad. squill and i love our son and we re so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had loved ones battle adekz understand the feeling of pride seeing someone you love come out the other side and be so strong and resilient in recovery. as i also said last week i ll respect the outcome of this case and continue to respect the judicial process as hunter continues to appeal. jill and i will always lead our family with our love and support. nothing will change that. that a strong statement, a tough statement for a father to make, and i feel that undercuts whatever the republican argument is here about biden rigging the system among the voters that will actually matter this next election. well, there are three things there. number one, the conviction of hunter biden shows the system is not rigged. it also shows this is the way the rule of law looks. and president biden has also said you know, has said on the record he ll not use his pardon power if to free his son if hunter biden gets a prison sentence. and some people were skeptical about that, but i don t think there s any reason to doubt his word at this point. and again, this creates a really significant difference between the tantrum that donald trump and his supporters have thrown and the acceptance of the rule of law and the decision of a jury that was presented with all this evidence. the point you re making is who is this for right? almost everything republicans say is for the audience of one is for donald trump. this is what the base wants to hear, but that is not the group of voters who will be deciding this election. and i think embedded in biden s statement is a call to empathy, right, for those who have fallen, for people who have addiction and are trying to make it through, you know, a dark, dark period versus trump who is all grievance all the time. and, you know, i think we think we don t know a lot about where this country is headed, but really appealing to people s sense of forgiveness and empathy doesn t seem like a political strategy that has an expiration date. i don t know, am i being too soft here? no. and again, it s a very interesting contrast. if trump s super power and his shamelessness, his refusal to ever take responsibility or apologize, joe biden s super power and his empathy. and again, republicans aren t going to give him any credit for it, but i do think there are a lot of americans who are going to say this a tragic situations. there are questions about the hunter biden judgment and his behavior, but also what you re seeing from joe biden is this is what a father, a father who has lost his other son, how they would react to something like that. and i think there will be a sliver of the electorate, a crucial sliver going to look at that and say we understand that seems human to us, that seems like something we can identify with and admire as opposed to the constant conspiracy theories and the victim card playing and the really vicious attacks on the criminal justice system and the jury system coming from donald trump. yeah, it s a real choice ahead, and this is going to be very, very indicative of who we are as a country. charlie sykes, thank you again for your time, my friend. it s great to see you. thank you. still to come this evening we have some new reporting about what appears to be a coordinated effort to broadcast disinformation about this fall s election on your local newscast. plus, when it comes to trump s criminal conviction, republican need a reality check. we have one. that s next. d a reality check. we have 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refrain during his criminal trial in new york. the entire system is rigged against him. and yet the system really seems to be bending in his favor lately as we saw yesterday at his probation hearing. trump s interview lasted less than half an hour, and trump was allowed to attend the meeting over zoom from his mar-a-lago beach club in florida with his lawyer seated by his side. just for perspective here according to a statement released by multiple public defender groups in new york city, public defenders are deprived of joining their clients for these meetings. the options of joining these meetings virtually by zoom is typically not extended to the people we represent either. joining me now is duncan levine. he s now a criminal defense attorney. duncan, thanks for joining me to make sense of this madness here. first the circumstances of this probation interview. they sound relatively easy, maybe even cushy, but donald trump says everything is rigged against him. who s right? this is something that is so routine, it typically takes hours. and to the extent there s been things that have been different for him, they ve only been different in his favor. most defendants have to come there in person. it is a drab office. these things take hours. there are courts probation interviewed that took half an hour. this is the opportunity to ask on sentencing that don t come out in the trial. this is defendant so well vetted, but for most defendants the judge doesn t have a sense who they are as a person, what their family situation is, what their immigration status is. are they using drugs, who are they covorting with? so a lot of people know this about donald trump. you could say, well, half an hour maybe all you need, but the fact is this it is them doing their due diligence. to the extent it s all zoom, the extent it s rigged or different, it s only been in his favor. the only piece of this he likes bringing up is the presence in this case on the d.a. s side of a man named matthew colangelo. they ve used him to be the missing link between joe biden, the puppeteer of the justice department and alvin bragg who sought criminal charges against donald trump. this is how trump talked about michael. colangelo is a radical left from the doj who was put into the state working for litigious james and was then put into the district attorney s office to run the trial against trump. we ll take issue with the put into passive in that statement, but you have gone between the doj and the d.a. s office so you know what it s like i guess to be a plant. first of all, is that a normal thing that happens, and how in line with reality is this argument? yeah, and this is something that s also being ginned up on capitol hill a lot. and in a letter just today the department of justice said this was conspiratorial speculation. this is an attempt to undermine law enforcement and to sow distrust of the public and law enforcement function. first off manhattan d.a. s office and doj work together every single time. there are joint task forces on terrorism, on hate crimes. there are joint task forces that looks banks file of suspicious activity reports, and joint cases such as standard charter and ing and barclays. there are cases every day deconflicted between the department of justice. on the manhattan d.a. s office they don t arrest the same person or step on other s toes. robert, the most famous manhattan d.a. who served for 35 years from 1975 to 2010 prior to becoming elected as the manhattan d.a. was the united states attorney for the southern district of new york. so he was an obama plant. exactly. a stooge for the administration. this is all coming to a head on july 11th when there is the sentencing hearing for trump. and i guess i wonder what your expectation for that is and whether there s anything to be done around the cries of foul play and a rigged system that are inevitably going to come up no matter what trump is sentenced to. it s just such a hard decision for judge merchan, and you wouldn t wish it on your worst enemy. that being said it s a tough decision for him to make. the prosecution is definitely going to be asking for jail time. the it was is going to be asking for a sentence of the conditional discharge thing. there s going to be outcry on both sides no matter what it is. this is something a very difficult decision and i don t know there s any way through the political thicket of it other than to say this is judge who s really been around the block and he s going to be taking this seriously and fairly, and i think you ll see a sentence free of some of those political consideration, and it may be down the middle, but i think both sides will be able to make like a rorschach test, if you will, and they ll be able to argue around it, whatever it is. you re not giving me the inside dope on what you think it would be. i would never put you on the spot for that, duncan. but for all the cry we ve seen thus far it seems it s 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same script. the newsletter s public notice and popular information first brought attention to the copycat newscasts which featured a script you might say has a very clear conservative agenda. the wall street journal calling into question the mental fitness of president joe biden. the wall street journal is out with reporting calling into question the mental fitness of president joe biden. as national correspondent matt galka tells us, the issue could be an election decider. the election could be an election decider. now, the story these dozens of local news outlets ran with was based on a widely panned piece in the wall street journal last week claiming that behind closed doors president biden was showing signs of mental slippage. the only people quoted on the record in that piece to support that recording were republican officials including former speaker of the house kevin mccarthy, who is not at all known for being the most reliable anything. meanwhile, several democrats including senator chris coons have come out publicly to say they gave quotes to the wall street journal for that piece and the paper chose not to include them. coons says he told the journal biden is someone who s sharp, engaged, and leads the conversation. now, aside from the clear partisan edge to all this, recent polling from gallop shows americans have very low trust of national media outlets. just 32% of the country trust the national media outlets, but that is not true when it comes to local news. pew research polling from earlier this year showed that 71% of americans trust their local news outlets, which is what makes what sinclair is doing here so nefarious. maybe your neighbor doesn t trust the wall street journal or cable news, but they must trust the station that gives them the weather, and that is the real issue. that issue could be could be an election decider. be an elr a slow network is no network for business. that s why more choose comcast business. and now, we re introducing 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time he shouldn t be showing the map to someone without security clearance and told the person not to-look too closely at it. while the incident illustrates how allegedly cav clear trump was with classified information, prosecutors never charged trump with crimes involving sharing classified information, and now the judge has struck it from the indictment. joining me now is bradley moss, a national security attorney who routine lee represents federal officials and members of the military in matters pertaining to classified documents. bradley, how big of a deal is it for prosecutors that this map incident has been struck from the indictment? it s certainly not a critical factor. all this means is it s not sitting in what is otherwise known as a speaking indictment. it is still information that prosecutors can bring out at trial and almost certainly will litigate to ensure they can bring it out as sort of the evidence of a prior bad act strictly in the context of mr. trump s the intent, his motive, his desire, his willingness to conceal this information, that he knew he had these records, he knew he had classified documents. he knew he wasn t authorized to have them, and he was retaining them at mar-a-lago. this was a very minor victory for mr. trump, otherwise the motion was dismissed i m sorry, denied by judge cannon. the issue, of course, is that it took so long. this could have been resolved weeks ago. it never need today have taken this long. if it s not a significant win for trump is it indicative, though, of a broader tension between the special counsel s office and this judge? because throughout this case, and it seems like it s ratcheted up in recent months, there s maybe not a volley because it seems like it s coming from one side. the judge does not seem happy with jack smith or his team. yes, certainly the tensions continue to boil, and they ve reached the point that in a hearing just a few weeks ago it got to prosecutors were so upset and frustrated with their attempts to try to explain to judge cannon their view on the case law and how certain legal precedents applied, that the judge had to basically counsel them to calm down. none of us where there, i don t know how badly that got out of hand. but it s never a good sign if you re a lawyer if the judge is telling you to calm down. let s be honest where this is going. judge cannon for whatever reason has chosen to take a slow and methodical approach here. she hasn t granted donald trump anything of substance, but because of how she s dragged it out and how the classified portions of in particular are taking forever, this is guaranteed it never see the light of day, will never get to trial before people go to voting booth in november. that seems a guarantee. there s an open question whether we ll see the trial period but that s going to depend on politics. trump filed another motion today. this one says the fbi destroyed exculpatory evidence but not describing what the classified material was in proximity to nonclassified material and trump argued he didn t pack the boxes, he didn t know what was in there. how substantive is this? does it matter? i think it s a delay tactic at best they might get an evidentiary hearing. they want to have an evidentiary hearing to probe into huthis was conducted, how the boxes were organized this way, whether or not there s something to their allegations of bias and improperly storage. on the merits, it s garbage. it has nothing to do with terms of spoilation of evidence or obstruction of evidence, and it doesn t absolve trump of the idea he willfully retained the documents. he knew he had them in 2022 when he turned stuff over to the archives and they told him, hey, there s classified documents in this stuff. he knew he had them over the course of the next year talking to his lawyers and they told him to turn them over. he knew it when the fbi told him we keep finding stuff in the stuff you re turning over. it will in the way judge cannon handles things drag it out just a little bit more. a grand jury indictment came down on june 8, 2023. anyone s guess whether we get to the second anniversary. bradley moss, thank you so much for your time tonight. have a good night. that is our show for this evening. way too early with jonathan lemire is coming up next. this case was about the illegal choices the defendant made while in the throes of addiction, his choice to lie on a government form when he bought a gun and the choice to then possess that gun. no one in this country is above the law. everyone must be accountable for their actions, even
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uncalled for. and on that note, i wish you a very, very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late. i ll see you at the end of tomorrow. exclusive never before heard audio recordings of justice samuel alito speaking to an undercover progressive activist. that s what we have tonight. that is in addition to the bomb shell recordings released yesterday and we will definitely want to hear these recordings when we play them. if you have been wondering how those secret tapes were made in the very first place, how activists and judges on the highest court in this land, that begins almost ten years add to this day when the supreme court handed down a major decision. supporters of the hobby lobby cheered today s victory. the oklahoma family that owns the chain of 500 craft stores claimed providing insurance coverage for some forms of contraceptives under obama care would be the equivalent of paying for abortion. that will allow companies to opt out of any law they judge incompatible with their sincerely held religious beliefs. the hobby lobby decision. the majority opinion was written by justice samuel alito and one of the first signs that conservatives on this court were willing to go after reproductive freedoms no matter the consequence. in the wake of the dobs decision, hobby lobby seems like the canary in the coal mine in more ways than one. november of 2022, the new york times offered key reporting about how the hobby lobby decision came to be. for years, conserve tiff christians had been engaged in a campaign called operation higher court. that operation was to personally court and influence the supreme court s conservative justices. it was spearheaded by a man named reverend robert shank who would recruit christian couples he called stealth missionaries to gain access to the judges and impress upon them the importance of conservative christian values. the justices were more likely to let their guards down at the historical genders. see a justice, boldly approach, he told the couples. if given the opportunity, bear witness to biblical truth, but don t push it. he said. your presence alone at the historical society events telegraphs a very important signal to the justices. christians are concerned about the court and the issues that come before it. that strategy appears to have paid off. some of shank s stealth missionaries were able to build enough of a relationship with justice alito and his wife martha anne they obtained advance notice of the hobby lobby decision before it came out. that breach, that unprecedented breach foreshadowed the leaked dobbs decision striking down roe eight years later and that specific strategy of using the supreme court s annual historical society dinners as a way to gain access to supreme court justices, turns out that, too, is relevant again just this week. the dinner is a yearly event where wealthy donors give money to a non-profit dedicated to supporting the court s history in exchange for their money, the donors get to rub shoulders with the justices and their spouses. as it turns out, conserve tiffs weren t the only ones in on this little arraignment. last week, lauren winsor who happens to be a member of the historical society bought a ticket tothe event. when she got in, she pretended to be a conservative donor. she approached some of the conservative justices and secretly recorded her conversations with them. nbc news has not heard the full tape of what was recorded so we cannot say for certain where edits were made if any were actually made. tonight, we have some brand new never before heard audio from that event to play for you. you will hear something familiar to what was on the tape s release yesterday. justice alito who is aggrieved and frustrated. who is nakedly partisan and totally unconcerned by appearing to be all of those things in front of a total stranger. remember, what we heard yesterday. as a catholic and as someone who really cherishes my faith, i just don t, i don t know that we can negotiate with the left in a way that like needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think that it is a matter of like winning. i think you re probably right. on one side or the other, one side or the other is going to win. i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of working together or living together peacefully. but it is difficult. there are differences on fundamental things that can t really be compromised. they can t really be compromised. so it s not like you re going to split the difference. that s what i m saying. i think the solution really is like winning the moral argument. people in this country who believe in god have got to keep fighting for that to return our country to a place of godliness. well, i agree with you. i agree with you. remember, at this closed door cocktail party, windsor was able to get justice alito s wife to explain her deeply personal motivation for flying two insurrectionist flags in front of the alito homes. that is a story that had just scandalized this court and these recordings this week would seem to suggest mrs. alito has no shame about what she has been doing here. in fact, quite the opposite. after deriding feminazis who have been critical of the scandal engulfing her husband, she made clear these flags are explicitly her form of resistance and response. you know what i want? i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. exactly. and he s like oh, please don t put up a flag. i said i won t do it because i m deferring to you, but when you are free of this nonsense, i m putting it up and i m going to send them the message every day. maybe every week i will change the flags. i made a flag in my head. this is how i satisfy myself. i made a flag. it is white. it is yellow and orange flames around it. and in the middle of is word vergogna. it means shame. just the be clear here, justice alito has publicly stated his wife did not fly the flags to associate herself with the stop the steal movement or any other group but it seems clear his wife very much sees the flags as a form of political expression and a response to what she believes are liberal attacks. it s okay. when they come back to me, i ll get them. i m going to be liberated and i m going to get them. what do you mean by they? there is a five year defamation statute of limitations. i don t know who you mean by they. get them. the media. okay. so, martha anne alito, the wife of a supreme court justice say she has a plan to get back at the media suing for defamation and thinks she will have the opportunity to do that in the next five years when she is free of all this nonsense. is sam alito s wife telling us something about justice alito s retirement plans? how concerned should we be that a supreme court justice s pows is talking about the american media with open contempt? tonight, we have brand new audio from that same event where justice alito himself tells us what he thinks about the fourth estate. the press. the other voice is an associate of lauren windsor s who was also at this event. i just wanted to ask you why do you think the supreme court is being so attacked and being targeted by the media these days? it is a simple reason. they don t like our decisions and they don t how we anticipate we may decide some cases coming up. that s the beginning and the end of it. and there are groups of very well funded by ideological groups that have spearheaded these attacks. that s what it is. gets a lot of money. and they have spent a fortune investigating clarence thomas for example. you know everything he has ever done his entire life. and they ve done some of that with me too. but you know they look for nit little thing they can find and try to make something of it. nbc news reached out for comment from samuel alito and his wife but have not heard back. joining me now is lauren windsor. progressive activist. lauren, thank you for being here. i know you have had a busy week so far. let me start with the new sound your organization, your colleague has given us. there are two parts of this new tape that strike me as concerning. alito says the media has not liked how the court has decided cases and may decide upcoming cases, was that a window into what may be coming down the pike the next two weeks? how did you interpret that? i interpret it as a harbinger of bad things to come. did you get the sense when he was talking about the media and specifically citing propublica and their extensive investigating about clarence thomas. that these stories are very much being shared behind closed doors of the supreme court. his media awareness seemed to be relatively high. oh it s very high. he already had a sense of grievance when i first spoke with him in 2023. but it was much more pronounced this year. two conversations that ali and i had with him. can we talk about the context here? for those of us who have not been to supreme court historical society events, is this what happens at them? we have two bomb shell series of reports about conversations, advocacy campaigns and attendees from the supreme court. i initially read the report in the new york times about reverend shank. that played into my going in the first place. but i didn t read that report and think i should become a member now. it really was incited by the propublica reporting on clarence thomas. justice alito wants to rail about the money taken by propublica for invest good faithing public servants while clarence thomas is not disclosing millions of dollars of gifts from gop donors. i have no idea what propublica s finances are, but as someone who is an independent journalist, i would imagine that the money that clarence thomas has taken probably rivals the budget of propublica in any given year. it is such a good point. what did you hear in alito s explanation for that? did you hear, it seems there is no contrition. but is not even an acknowledgment there was any wrong doing on the part of clarence thomas in accepting potentially millions of dollars in unspecified gifts from conservative donors. i mean, you know, it is not vergogna bay verbatum. i don t consider that paying for tuition or getting a free rv loan. these are all things he has accepted from gop donors. it would be a different story if this was just about vacations he was taking with harlan crow and his wife and family. most people would write it off as oh, it was a trip. most people would not consider traveling with friends or associates as being something that is that big of a deal. but that is not what we are talking about with clarence thomas. it is another order of magnitude and it has been going on years. i guess some part of me is surprised that you not knowing the alitos, you are just a random member of the historical society is able to even get within shoulder rubbing distance of a justice and draw him into conversation about some of the incendiary topics in the country. the partisan divide. how did it unfold when you were in the room with the justice? it should be stated in the guidance for the events, the historical society says if you broach topics that are before the court, it may be grounds for you to be kicked out. so there is aprocess. how do i approach someone with that not only are judges supposed to be really the height of discretion. the height of you know, judgments. right? i definitely went into this assuming i was not going to get anything news worthy. in 2023, i did not get anything news worthy. the scrutiny has intensified so much and his grievance level is much more piqued that unlike clarence thomas who did not show up to this dinner. but has been reported to have shown up to it many times, and he didn t show up in 2023 by the way. that alito would probably attend anyway though he was undergoing this intense media glare. sure enough, he was there. and i think it was, i can t say what was in his mind so i don t know if in 2023, he had the the same level of grievance and it changed over the course of the year. there s a couple of options there. did it change? was it hard to get him to talk? at the very end of this conversation, he says are you a lawyer? it wasn t like you had offered any biographical information other than having a husband who was not in the room. how did you actually get into conversation with him? did you just go up to him and start talking to him? so the reason i brought up my husband was that in 2023, i came with a male friend. so, the context of it was we had a conversation, after dinner in 2023, my male friend was with me. he was not with me in 2024. so when i saw justice alito solo, it was one on one. it was hi there, my husband really wants to let you know we are rooting for you. you have all the grit. the reason i said you had all the grit, this is because donald trump had tweeted something out about how you know, there should be more justices like samuel alito with the grit samuel alito has so i felt like it was flagged if you will. to alito. that it was. a safe space for him. a safe space, yes. i was trying to signal to him coyly without saying trump. because it goes back to the way to broach who has the highest level of discretion. you can t talk partisan politics if i walked up to him and talked joe biden or donald trump, he would have shut down. so talking polarization was a way to, a way into the conversation that wasn t as aggressive. but also indicative of what we were trying to get at. was he acting on bias. and i do believe that american people deserve to know. is the supreme court so compromised that we do not really have impartiality that bedrock of our judicial system. i think hearing it from his mouth that he cannot be impartial that some things cannot be compromised, that needs to be fuel for journalists and congress to say what are the things that cannot be compromised? look, you brought us into a room that few people are ever in. these tapes are revelator. it is, we are not done having this conversation. thank you for bringing some of that to our air. we are really appreciative. thanks for spending some time with me tonight lauren. thanks alex. coming up this hour, we have new details about donald trump s presentencing meeting with his probation officer. turns out, he is being treated differently. just maybe not in the way he would like you to believe. the first hunter biden today joined donald trump in becoming a convicted felon facing possible jail time. does that mean the system is now unrigged? we ll get into the republican response coming up next. epubli response coming up next. missing out on the things you love because of asthma? get back to better breathing with fasenra, an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma that is taken once every 8 weeks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may 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( ) president biden s son hunter biden was found guilty on three felony gun charges and given this news you might have thought the maga conspiracy about president biden rigging the justice system, maybe you thought that is going to collapse. it did not. today is the first step in delivering accountability for the biden crime family. you have been saying two tiered justice system some time. the president s son being convicted three counts. every case is different. and clearly the evidence was overwhelming here. do you think the department of justice is still weaponnized against conservatives though we see this verdict? when they tell school moms they are domestic terrorists because they don t like what is taught in the classrooms. we could go into it but we won t. a trump campaign statement released today calls hunter biden s trial nothing more than a distraction from the real crimes of the biden crime family. and in lock step with the party front runner, the chairman of the house oversight committee said the work will not be done until the department of justice investigates everyone involved in the biden s corrupt influence peddling schemes. joining me now is charlie psychs. charlie, thank you for joining me. this criminal conviction is a distraction from the real crime family. is this going to work? it was awkwardment it is awkward for the talking point it was all rigged. that the biden justice department was weaponnized only against republicans. but, we live in a world in which the reality and the facts have a hard time catching up with the spin. and you can see how deeply invested republicans are in their talking point about the biden crime family so it is not a shock they will continue to repeat those talking points. over and over and over again. but i do think the contrast and the reaction to the conviction of donald trump and the conviction of hunter biden has been very, very telling here. this will come up at the debate and you though donald trump will try to make an issue of the fact that the president s son is a convicted felon which will be awkward being a convicted felon himself. but democrats have been making this point. and the media have been making the point that there are a number of democrats facing indictments under the biden justice department. not just the president s own son. they don t feel the need to explain that at all. they will just go with the spin. i wonder who the spin is for. you talk about the reaction. this was the statement from the president of the united states after his son is convicted of felonies. as i said last week, i am the president, but i am also a dad. jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had loved ones battle addiction understand the feeling of pride seeing someone you love come out the other side and be strong and resilient in recovery. as i also said i will accept the outcome of this case and continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal. jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will change that. i mean, that just, it is a very strong statement. it is a tough statement for a father to make. and i feel like that just undercuts whatever the republican argument is of the rigging of the system. among the voters that matter. the conviction of hunter biden shows the system is not rigged. it also shows this is the way the rule of law looks. this is what it looks like when no one is above the law. and president biden is also said, you know, has said on the record, that he will not use his pardon power to free his son if hunter biden gets a prison sentence. now, there are some people skeptical about that. but i don t think there is any reason to doubt his word at this point. and again, this creates a really significant difference between the tantrum donald trump and his supporters have thrown and the acceptance of the rule of law and the decision of a jury presented with all of this evidence. the point you are making is who is this for right now? almost everything republicans say is for the audience of one is for donald trump. this is what the base wants to hear. but, that is not the group of voters who will be deciding this election. and not to wax too poetic about it charlie. but embedded in biden s statement is a call to empathy. right? for those who have fallen for people who have addiction and are trying to make it through a dark, dark period. versus trump who is all grievance all the time. and i think we think a lot of things. we don t know a lot about where this country is headed but appealing to people s sense of forgiveness and empathy doesn t seem like a political strategy that has an expiration date. am i being too soft here? no. again it is an interesting contrast. joe biden s superpower is his empathy. and republicans are not going to give him any credit for it but a lot of americans will say okay. this is a tragic situation. you know, there are questions about hunter biden s judgment and his behavior. but also, what you are seeing from joe biden is, this is what a father, a father who has lost his other son, how they would react to something like that. and there will be a sliver of the electorate with crucial sliver that will look at that and say we understand that seems human to us. something we can identify with and admire in opposition to the conspiracy theories and the victim card playing and the really vicious attacks on the criminal justice system and the jury system coming from donald trump. yeah. it is a real choice ahead. and, this will be very, very indicative of who we are as a country. charlie, thank you for your time. it is great to see you. thank you. still to come this evening we have some new reporting about what appears to be a coordinated effort to broadcast disinformation about this fall s election on your local newscast. plus, when it comes to donald trump s criminal conviction, republicans need a reality check. we have one. that s next. eality check. we have one. that s next. 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this is something that is so routine and it typically takes hours. to the extent there have been things that have been different for him. they have only been different in his favor. most defendants have to come there in person. it is a drab office. these things take hours. there are reports his probation interview took half an hour. this is an opportunity for probation to ask the type of questions that a judge might want to know on sentencing that don t come out in the trial. so this is somebody obviously, this defendant is somebody who is so well vetted everybody knows everything. but for most defendants, the judge doesn t have a sense of who they are as a person. what their family situation is. their immigration status is. are they using drugs so a lot of people know this about donald trump. but, so you could say well, half an hour, maybe all you need. but the fact is this is them doing their due diligence. to the extent it is on zoom. the lawyers there. it is only half an hour to tex tent that it is rigged or different, it has only been in his favor. the other piece of this that he likes bringing up is the presence in this case on the da side of matthew calangalo. he previously worked at the department of justice and now works for alvin bragg and they have literally used him as the missing link of joe biden and alvin bragg. let me say for people who are not familiar, this is how trump talks about him. he is a radical left from the doj who was put into the state working with letitia james and put into the district attorney s office to run the trial against trump. we will take issue with it. put into? passive in that statement. but you have gone between the doj and the doj s office. is that a normal thing that happens and now in line with reality is this argument? in the letter, just today, the department of justice said this was conspiratorial speculation. i think it is something a lot more sinister. it is an attempt to undermine law enforcement. first off, the manhattan da s office and doj work together all the time. there are joint task forces on terrorism. on hate crimes. there is a joint task force that looks at the filings that banks file. the suspicious activity reports. there have been joint cases prosecuted by the department of justice and the manhattan da s office against banks like standard charter, ing. there have been cases every day that are deconflicted between the department of justice. they don t arrest the same person. people go back and forth. i went from the manhattan da s office and back. robert morgan, the most famous manhattan da who served for 35 years from 1975 to 2010, prior to becoming. he was an obama plant. is that you are telling me? a stooge of the administration. it is preposterous, there is no sense these cries of foul play will end any time soon. this is all coming to a head on july 11th when there is the sentencing hearing for trump and i guess i wonder what your expectation for that is. and whether there is anything to be done around the cries of foul play in a rigged system that are inevitably going to come up no matter what he is sentenced. it is such a hard decision for the judge and you wouldn t wish it on your worst inny or both sides. nobody should want him to go to jail or want anyone to go to jail. it s a sad day. the prosecution is virtually going to be asking for jail time. the defense is virtually going to be asking for a sentence of a conditional discharge saying he has been punished enough by the felony. and there will be outcry on both sides. i don t know there is any way through the political thicket of it other than to say this is a judge who has been around the block. he will be taking this seriously and fairly and i think you will see a sentence that is sort of free of some of those political considerations. something that he will be, maybe down the middle. both sides will be able to make of it like a rorschach test and they will be able to argue around it. well, that is not exactly, you are not giving me the inside dope on what you think it would be. but look. for all of that we have seen, it feels like the volume will only increase into july 11th. thank you for helping us through this. coming up, trump appointee judge aileen cannon tosses out part of trump s indictment in the classified documents case. but first, some very orwellian messages being broadcast from your local news stations. that s next. your local news stations. that s next. i m out of breath, and often out of the picture. but this is my story. 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you guys for that conversation. i will leave you with this get them bts army is celebrating the region turn of one of their own this morning, bts member jin has completed his mandatory military service in south korea. but k-pop star was seen leaving base today after 18 months in uniform he is far i will say, from the big first big pop star to spend time serving his country jaylen. jailhouse rock or elvis presley reported to the army after he was drafted in 19 58, the king was a soldier until the spring and 1961, earned his discharge from the army reserve in 1964 and then there was this i came the man in black, also a man in uniform. johnny cash wrote, i walk the line while stationed with the air force in germany after jimi hendrix was caught stealing cars in the early 1960s a judge gave them two choices, prison or the military what would you do? he enlisted in the army thanks to our panel for being with us. thanks to you for joining us. i m casing. don t go anywhere. cnn new central start right now very shortly president biden depart ports on a crucial overseas trip before boarding air force one, it is possibly speaks for the first time on hunter biden s federal gun conviction. we are our standing bach a good night for donald trump, the republican candidates he endorsed took home victories in multiple state primaries and one special election in ohio puts house republicans is on track to expand their slim majority. and russian war games, russian warships on their way to cuba, some of russia s most powerful vessel full, set to run military drills just miles from the us coast. what could go wrong? i m kate bolduan with john berman, sara sidner is out today. this get cnn new central a pivotal moment for a president, a painful moment for a father. we are standing by in delaware to see president biden depart for very important g7 meeting in europe. now the reason he s in delaware at all, the criminal conviction of his son, hunter on federal gun charges hours after the verdict, the president traveled to delaware and bracing hunter on the tarmac. the president release to paint a statement saying, quote, i am the president, but i am also a dad. this morning, we are waiting to see if the addresses the conviction out loud before leaving for europe, seen as priscilla alvarez standing by in delaware with the latest priscilla, what are you hearing so far this morning well, john, over the last several hours, the president and his family have been huddled together behind closed doors at their residents here in wilmington, delaware for a last-minute trip, the president deciding to come after the verdict was reached just yesterday. and as you said, embracing his son, hunter on the tarmac, of course, this is a family that has often come together over the course of this trial as some is their some of their most intimate personal struggles were put on disk blade. this is what the spiritual adviser and family friend of the family friend had this to say about how this unfolded within the family and. he said that let justice play out. and whatever the decision was of the jewelry, he would respect and accept the decision. but when i saw him come home tonight and embraced his son i saw the power of love president and first lady. they love hunter. and we love him and we will continue to walk alongside him with the ministry of presence now, the president statement was framed through the lens of a father, not a president, but he did have this to say in closing quote, i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal. now, of course, the president has previously affirmed that he would not pardon his son i m john wilmington is also the headquarter are where the campaign headquarters is, and their sources tell cnn, it is business as usual and the president going to italy for these important g7 meetings. what are the priorities? their priscilla well, just like it was in france, the shadow of former president donald trump moving, looming large over this next foreign trip by the president as he attends the g7 summit in italy and world leaders will continue to this dress as we ll president biden and the preservation of democracy. now, ukraine will be front and center again, the president will be having a news conference with ukrainian president zelensky. were again last week the president apologized for the delays in getting additional aid to ukraine given the stalls in congress that was a rare moment for a president to apologize to another world leader. more of that over the course of this trip where the two again will reaffirm their support and also perhaps ultimate is on additional aid to ukraine. and of course, the world leaders will also be discussing a range of other issues given the situation in the middle east, climate change and artificial intelligence and facts pope francis will be attending the summit to talk about ai. so all of this converging at this three-day trip for the president and italy, again, book ending a month of foreign travel, john so always force in wilmington, delaware this morning for slick rick to see you. thank you. kate this morning, we are seeing the power of donald trump s endorsement after it was put to the test and big republican primaries last night, going to show you this six all endorsed these six candidates, all endorsed by the former president, all victorious. cnn s mark preston is tracking all of this for us. so mark, what happened last night good night for donald trump is what happened, kate, we saw from the south all the way out to the west up to the northeast that candidates donald trump backed well, they one, let s take a quick look right here and go through some of them, some interesting races we ve seen that were resolved last night down in south carolina, nancy mace. now, this is somebody your congresswoman who was initially against donald trump after january 6. she has done an about face. she was able to push back against outside money from kevin mccarthy, the former house speaker to win her primary. if you also look, william timmons as well from south carolina. he was a moderate why i should ve said a conservative but yet not conservative enough for the freedom caucus. they went out after him, williams timmons does pull out a win. he was also trump endorsed. if you go out to nevada, we saw that sam brown. now, this is a purple heart. winter got a last-minute endorsement from donald trump he easily went out in nevada. that s gonna be a race that we are going to be watching for control of the united states senate. and then if you go up to north dakota, there was 32 or three up there in north dakota where donald trump did very well. and of course this is very interesting up in maine, a nascar, former nascar driver endorsed by donald trump won the nomination to take on jared golden up in maine. so six for six last night, donald trump as he heads into his convention, kate huge victory also for just for republicans writ large, especially in the house in ohio because they they held a special election to replace the retired retired congressman bill johnson yeah. you so what s interesting about this is it, we re going to spend a lot of time talking about this race because this is a congressional district that really borders the pennsylvania ohio border, right? they re incredibly conservative, republican should have a lock on it. they didn t do as well last night, don t necessarily they did win the race, but they didn t win by as many points. we should note those special election so there s probably about a fifth of the voters showed up yesterday. i will see certainly it s a different electorate going into november cave, but democrats will certainly be looking at this for some signs of hope we have. i mean, how many, how many cycles and how many years have we tried to figure out what special election say about the bigger general elections waiting standby, just you have via this one once again, we north dakota maybe one of the most fascinating things that happened last night, voters passing a measure. i m going to say it s the first of its kind. maybe i can t think of another another place that has happened, age limits on congressional candidates yeah you know, you talk about a states rights issue right here. let s take a look at this north dakota voters decided last night that they are going to how age limits now for members of congress, if you are over the age of 80 before the end of your term, i mean, it s just really interesting given the fact that we have two presidential candidate hey, it s right now, we have president biden, former president donald trump who are either at their age or will reach their age as president of the united states. but if you were trying to run for congress in north dakota, there is gonna be an age limit pretty interesting law that was passed. but again, shows you that the states rights, the issues is certainly 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well, this has gotten caught up so many times in the details and we re back at that spot right now waiting to see if the details can be worked out to push this it s meanwhile, at the same time, the un has released its most in-depth investigation to this point of the beginning of the war from october 7 to the end of the last year. so roughly the first two-and-a-half months. and in it, the un says both israel and palestinian militant groups include putting hamas have committed war crimes and violations of international humanitarian law amongst those the un says both israel and militant groups committed acts of sexual violence, torture, and the intentional targeting of civilians to put forward this report and put it together israel did not cooperate, but the un spoke with victims, witnesses, media reports, as well as open-source investigations and information that they were able to verify as they looked at the first couple of months of the war, the part about hamas and palestinian militant groups, perhaps no surprise, that focuses on october 7. and in it, they say hamas in those groups intentionally targeted civilians, committed acts of murder and torture outrageous upon personal dignity, as well as taken hostage including children. israel, which is accused of a systemic and widespread targeting of civilians, rejected the report, calling it anti-israel discrimination at the un and saying it viewed october 7, the rope palestinian lens. john we re very. quickly there has been a constant battle on israel s northern front with hezbollah in lebanon with a flare up overnight. what s the latest there one that we ve seen escalate over the course of the past couple of weeks and very possibly escalating. again, israel carried out a strike that killed hezbollah commander abu talib, as well as several other hezbollah fighters as one of the more senior commanders they have killed since back in january in response bonds hezbollah has launched more than 160 rockets towards northern israel, number of which have been intercepted. the us has tried to define some sort of diplomatic off-ramp here, but it is when you see what s happening right now, that is very obvious that there has been no success on that front. the risk of course a miscalculation and even further escalation perhaps another front in the war or lieberman in tel aviv this morning or nice to see you. thank you so one of the most important days of the year in economic news crucial inflation data do our shortly just before a key decision is to be announced. and then a commuter bus hijacked in broad daylight, the rush hour police chase through the streets find a great deal for your ideal hutto open your vargo typing where you want to go, select your check-in and check-out dates. you search, compare prices for the same hotel and save up to $30.09 hotel. trivago. what impacts hue every day? 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how tough does he sound about inflation? how concerned is he, is he preaching patients? here s a look at the estimates for two days of inflation report 3.4%. that s the annual rate that would signal no progress at all. well ahead of the precocial ovid rate, but the silver lining could be the month over month figure 0.1% that would be a good number. it would be driven by lower gas prices. and this would actually be the lowest month over month inflation figure. we ve seen since last fall. and i think when you look at the trend for inflation, it s clear that we re in a better place than two years ago. this inflation shouldn t figure was about 9% two years ago, miles away from that, but it s also clear, kate that the progress has stalled and it needs to resume before interest rates go lower. yeah, way better than two years ago. but how people are feeling about it and how their personal economy feels. that these are not always in line as we know, you re also taking a closer look at the pay gap between the c-suite and all the workers below and help people are feeling about it today? yeah, people are feeling very, very frustrated about how much more money ceos make than the average worker. now, there s this new poll out from bentley university in gallup, shared exclusively with cnn. and it finds that 83% of americans say it s important for businesses to avoid a major pay gap between ceos and employees that includes 56% who say this is extremely important. and what s striking here is this really cuts across gender generation even when you look at it by party 96% of democrats say this is important, but also 83% of independence two-thirds of republicans. so this is a clear bipartisan issue across the political spectrum. and yet, when you ask americans, how re companies doing on this issue, they say the companies are failing. look at this just 13% say companies are doing good job of a voting and pay gap excellent or good. 21% say fair and a clear majority, 66% say companies are doing a poor job here. and i think the number is kinda back that out, right? ecuador had a study that showed that it would take a 196 years for the average employee to make what the typical ceo makes, 196 years. we saw that last year, the average worker got about a $4,300 pay bump. the average ceo, 1.5 million more, an even some former ceos are alarmed. i talked to a medtronic former ceo bill george. he told me that he he s trebled because ceo pay has gotten completely out of hand tomorrow, kate, tesla shareholders are going to vote on whether or not to approve elon musk 40 $40,000,000,000 pay package? 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so there s a process. good morning to take ammonia to john and here s what the process will entail. we have something called pretrial services at the federal level. what does that is to probationary wing, what they will do is they will do a deep dive into his prior history including everything, finances, health, family et cetera. they ultimately that is pretrial services, probation issue, a report and recommendation that s significant that goes to the judge while that s happening, what ends up happening is that your lawyers are preparing a memorandum with the recommendation as it relates to sentencing. i suspect that that ll be inclusive of all kind of people who know, you know what you re about, whether be clergy, businesspeople, colleagues, et cetera? euro. thereafter prosecutor submit their sentencing memorandum to the judge and then you of course, have the sentencing date where you go in. there ll be oral argument with respect to what s appropriate and there are these things at the federal level called sentencing guidelines. i know we talk about this with respect to 25 years, ten years on this, that not at all. the the federal sentencing guidelines include the offense level with regard to the offense for which you were convicted, in addition to your criminal history, let s remember, he s a first offender? no. no criminal history to speak of. and the nature of this allegation is not violent. and so all of that will be happening in the ensuing weeks and months. but he pleaded not guilty, made this go to trial? yes. generally speaking, in sentencing, when you plead out, you plead guilty. that s when you get the lighter sentence. so what might the impact be there? so that s true and obviously at they also at the federal level, have acceptance of responsibility points. it s this interesting mix, john, where you have these calculations is really, you quantify that at the same time a person should be permitted to exercise their due process. let s remember, this is a very sympathetic pick case. jurors themselves questioning whether it should have gone to trial, saying it s a waste of taxpayers money. so i don t think the judge will ultimately hold that against him. obviously, there ll be some explained i m going to do that was gut wrenching testimony, et cetera. it s not an offense for which she needs to write go to jail. that s obviously up to the judge, but when i m speaking about is regarding mandatory minimums, so it s very discretionary. the person in the black rozi will decide on some of the gut wrenching testimony. i did find it as the after this wrapped and the verdict came down, jurors seem to think that the defense is decision to call hunter biden s daughter, naomi, to the stand that it didn t help his case wonder number ten, so they felt bad that they put naomi on trial as a witness. i think that was probably a strategy that should have not been done. no daughter should ever have to testify against her dad. what do you think when you hear that? you know what it is kate hindsight s always 2020, right? right. and so what ends up happening is, is that you re having to make as a defense lawyer strategic decisions that you think and move the ball forward. i do believe that one of the plays of the defense was not only as it related to the merits of the case, you know what he wasn t addicted at the time. he didn t form the mental state he was in denial, et cetera i also think the play was what we call jury nullification having the jury failed bad about the fact that we re here having the jury believe it s a waste of resources to do it, having the jury believed that this is not adjust result to convict, and i think as part of that play, who would be more sympathetic? of course, then the daughter i just think some of it backfired with respect to what she said vs what text messages demonstrated with respect to how her father was really doing at the time, very quickly, the judge has said she wants to do sentencing when the next four months, but if there is an appeal, when does that how does that impact when hunter biden if he gets prison time, would have to report so what will happen is is that they have certainly will be an appeal that s part of the process. right. and what ends up happening is is that there s many basises to appeal. one of course, dealing with whether it s constitutional that is to take away his gun rights. another weather of course, a psychiatrist or medical health official could have testified as prediction while that s happening, the matter will proceed. the judge will pronounce sentence. i suspect that there could be what we call a stay pending that appeal. and then i ll also look for jon and kate, the timeframe timeframe is very important why dad is in the white house that has said, i m not going to pardon my son, has not ruled out a commutation. what s the difference if you re given prison time? do we delay the prison time? then there s that other case and i m looking for a timeline on that other case california tax case, because the timeline of that and should he be convicted and his father not be in the white house that presents other problems as father could be. we just don t know, but these are all things to watch out for. it s great to see a joy. thank you. always. thanks, kate. thanks, john. all as we said, president biden is in delaware with his son, hunter right now, but very shortly, he leaves for the g7 meetings in italy, are looking at live pictures, by the way, from delaware right now, where the president will be departing shortly. these are hugely important meetings that will cover everything from the israel-hamas war to ukraine to climate change. let s get right to nic robertson who is in italy right now where these meetings will take place. nick yeah, president says is expanded a touchdown here later this evening yes. a full schedules here. the first ticket on the agenda, if you will, will be africa. it will be climate change and development. they sound a little bit not as if they would be the central issues of such an important meeting. but of course they are fundamental to so much that concerns all the leaders here. and that is migration ration itself comes up on another day, but you ll have the leader of the african union here prime minister from kenya. you ll also have leaders from tunisia and algeria here as well. and why does african matters so much as just across the mediterranean of course, from italy, italy on the forefront of huge migration waves coming out, coming out of that continent. so what can these developed democracies with powerful economies? do to help the african continent and the people there. and perhaps in essence persuade them not to migrate towards europe. so that s one issue. then you have ukraine coming up and of course the central focus there will be getting agreement on how to fund a 50 billion dollar loan to ukraine, which is going to be paid for by frozen profits from frozen, frozen russian assets that looks likely us and eu will sort of underwrite that. then you get into the issue. as i said of me gracian. and you have a central and important issue for president biden the indo-pacific region, china, in essence, ai, that s also going to be a big topic here. and the pob coming in friday, ai will be something hill want to talk to these world leaders about a packed agenda? and for president biden. and of course, the specter, if you will of a donald trump, a potential president donald trump attending the next g7. that s what these leaders will have on their minds as well. but of course coming into this, there are five liters out of the eight liters coming here who face election of potential election challenges over the coming john all right. nic robertson for us in monopoly italy, do not land on boardwalk, nick, thank you very much for that new details this morning about the ice operation to detain eight men living in the us with suspected ties to isis the men are tajik nationals who sources say were screened when they crossed at the us-mexico border, and nothing in their past was flagged at the time cnn s josh campbell has much more on this. josh, what are you learning about this? well kate, you know, this is really interesting. we re learning about how federal authorities actually identify these people. i m told from law enforcement source, it was the us government s targeting of isis targets abroad that actually allowed them to make these identifications part of this ongoing investigation. of course, that s interesting because we know that earlier this year we saw that some of these us surveillance authorities come under heavy scrutiny and congress these sweeping ability of the us government to surveil certain targets abroad. but i m told it was those kinds of authorities that allowed them to actually determine. we have people here who have some kind of connection to isis targets overseas. now here s what we know, as you mentioned, these are eight tajikistan nationals who were arrested recently by ice as part of their removal authorities. now when they came across the southern border, they were vetted. a source tells me but there were no red flags that us authorities identified at the time. it was later after they were already in the country that this investigation determined they had those alleged isis connections. and the decision was made to deport them. i m told that this was hotly debated within federal law enforcement. do we continue to surveil them? federal investigators to determine if there s a potential plot here or do we just expel them and i m told that it was the ladder that us senior official ultimately decided to actually to just get them out of the country. now, of that group that was arrested, i m told that extremist rhetoric, so it s unclear whether the other members of the group were arrested simply by association with those individuals, but still questions there were winning to determine when the expulsions will actually take place. and then finally is worth pointing out this is obviously all coming as the department of homeland security and the fbi the office of the director of national intelligence have warned about increasing threats from terrorism. this is not a point in history. there are current threats. now, we know that the dhs recently came out with an assessment indicating just that it s something that federal authorities are certainly look king at this elevated threat that continues this year josh campbell, thanks so much. john and emotional day in connecticut, survivors of the sandy hook elementary school massacre will graduate high school almost 12 years after 20 of their classmates and six adults were killed, seen as brynn gingras is in new town this morning i have to imagine this is gonna be a difficult day. brynn yeah, john, listen bittersweet is the word that has been said many times in this community for what is going to happen today, this graduation and obviously there are more than 300 students who are celebrating the fact that they ve finally reach this milestone in their lives, graduating high school. but of course they will never and have never forgotten those 20 classmates that should be right there with them in those six educators should be celebrating with them as well. actually, during the ceremony, they re all going to wear green ribbons on their caps and gowns to have that memory close to them. the names of those 20 students are gonna be read throughout this ceremony. he said there are little bits of this celebration where they are really going to just remember how far they ve come and what they lost along the way. i want you to hear from three students who talked about what this day means to them after what they ve been through while they were in sandy hook on that day? we are so kids, so we do as much as we can to enjoy ourselves. and still live our lives will still carry the memory of those who lost it s hard because you have these big moments in your life things that are supposed to be solely exciting but they get clouded by those a way that we want to be remembering our friends and we are going to keep them with us, but it s also something that we wish we never had to deal with compared to some work classmates who can go say, are there are no, it s really like md with blocked out that first i don t you know, we don t want to make this is ultimately what should be the biggest de of most of our lives yeah, that day still so vivid in their memory is actually it s tradition john, in new town for these high school seniors to go back to their elementary preschool. there are several in this town and to go back to this building and see the people, the teachers that shaped their lives. of course, these students that you just heard from they had to go to a new high school since that other one where this tragedy happened was torn down, a new one rebuild. so the memory just continues to be with them, but they are survivors. look the objectory of their lives have changed. you just heard from people who say they now want to be activists. they want to be therapists. they want to be lawyers. they want to be politicians. they want to change gun laws. so it s quite incredible how far these little first-graders have come to now this high school graduation, and certainly the memory of those lost is very vivid today. we ll congratulations to all of them there. oh, the places they will go. and of course, we are thinking about that community this morning, a brynn geographic great to have you there. thank you very much. russian more ships sailing less than 100 miles from us soil what they re doing, and how the us military is now responding. and this morning, house republicans, well, here s the question do house republicans have the votes to hold attorney general merrick garland inke contempt all of a sudden that seems to be up in the air. we ve got the latest webcam the most anticipated moment of this electric and the stakes couldn t be higher. the president and the former president, one stage two, very different visions for america s future. the cnn and presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming unmatched. if you re 50 year over, you can be taking advantage of everything aarp has to offer right now, join aarp for $12 for one year and your second membership is free. get instant access to discounts on everyday purchases. i care in prescriptions and tools and tips to help manage your money and maximize your health plus aarp fights to protect your social security, medicare and more join and get an insulated trunk organized are free plus aarp, the magazine call or go to join the arp.org. now, so this has pickleball with e-trade for morgan stanley were ready for whatever gets served up to get to with the chest i d rather work on saving for retirement poole college since you d like to get schooled it s pretty your burn write home the place where you created week those special moments we celebrate the home and the way you live in it. at three-day blinds, we help you create that special place. and because we know you re busy as we bring the showroom to you at your convenience and provided design expert to help you find the perfect solution that fits your style and budget three de blocks thank you love the treatment, call or go online right now to schedule your free in-home design consultation i can t wait for this family get away shingles doesn t care. shingles is a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks there s nothing like a day out with friends that s nice. what she doesn t care. 99% of adults 50 years or older already had the virus that causes shingles inside had them and it can reactivate it anytime a perfect de for a family outing. guess what? 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and what did you learned over the last 11 weeks? you know, what happened that morning was horrific, but what happened next was inspiring. so in terms of what we ve learned, i think the biggest thing has been about the power of teamwork. i asked our team to count up the number of agencies involved. we think it was 56, 56 different entities he s from our department of us coast guard and the army corps of engineers the state dot under the leadership of governor wes moore, county, city, all of the first responders from the divers looking for victims to the people making sure that traffic was handled and managed safely all adding up to this moment where less than 100 days after that shocking event, more than 50,000 tons of concrete and steel have been cleared out of the potassium river. the channel is open, the port is up and running. those workers are working now, obviously, we ve got a long way to go in terms part two, which is getting a new bridge up to replace the francis scott key bridge that was destroyed and more and more of the focus is going to now turn to that, although we ve been working on that from day one as well, already got $60 million after the state. but again, my big lesson, my big takeaway here is the power of teamwork. i have never seen this many different organizations, agencies responders, come together since i ve had this job to deal with a crisis, touching, are transportation system so it s what people expect from government that when something terrible happens, those agencies snap into action, team up and get results. you talked about the bridge you have any estimate on when there may be a new bridge so the original one took about five years to build. we re hoping we can beat that. this time around, but obviously a lot goes into building a bridge and it s going to look different. the design that went in the 70s is not the same as the right answer for a bridge that s going to be standing. hopefully well into the 2070s but we re already underway on that we released $60 million to help get that process going. were side-by-side with maryland maryland.in their work, they re already engaging in the procurement, the design they estimated it ll take about 1.7 to $1.9 billion to get that new bridge in place. but when it is there, it will be not just a new part of the baltimore s skyline, but an important link for supply chains and, and for commuters so you were not a member of the president s family, although he has said you remind him of his son beau i m wondering what you think it must be like for the president now that his other son, hunter biden, has been convicted on federal gun charges as both a president on his way to europe for key meetings and also as a father i think anybody should imagine what would i do? and one of many things i admire about my boss is that it is so clear how much love he has for his family. and that s not just something that obviously as a human being, you see and feel in terms of how much he cares about his loved ones. but also as a boss, it is a tone that he has set across the administration that he expects. everybody who reports to him to take good care of their families. he made clear on day one, there s a standing policy that if any of us needs to take care of a family matter, we go look after that. no questions asked and and balance that with the responsibilities that we all have. just so you know, secretary, we re looking at live pictures from delaware right now where president biden is arriving. he ll he ll get a marine one. had to andrews and then head to europe for meetings again, we re looking at live pictures of that right now. it does not appear as if the president will comment before arriving at andrews and we don t know feel comment there. i want to ask you very quickly about another subject to there was a secret recording made at a meeting where many supreme court justices and their spouses, were in martha-ann alito, the wife has supreme court justice samuel alito was discussing how she feels about apparently a pride flag that was flown not far from our house. listen i want sacred heart of jesus because i had to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. badly. and he s like, oh, please don t put up a flag. i said i won t do it because i m deferring to you. but when you are free of this nonsense, i m putting it up and i m going to send them i think every day how does that make you feel knowing that the wife of a supreme court justice wants to send a message to people with a pride flag look i m often reminded that the most important thing in my life which is my marriage and my family and the two beautiful children that my husband chest and i are raising, that marriage only exists by the grace of a single vote on the united states supreme court that expanded our rights and freedoms back in 2015 and made it possible for somebody like me to get married and supreme court justices have an unbelievable amount of power and they ll, by the nature and the structure of the supreme court, there s no supervision over that power. they are entrusted with it literally for as long as they live and part of that trust is we expect them to enter into those enormously consequential decisions that the shape our everyday lives. with a sense of fairness. i also hope that most americans can understand the difference between a flag that symbolizes love and acceptance and signals to people who have sometimes feared for their safety that they re gonna to be ok. and insurrectionists, symbology i ll just leave it at that secure transportation people to hear. thank you so much for being with us this morning. appreciate it this morning uncertainty on capitol hill, the house is scheduled to hold a rules vote surrounding whether to hold attorney general merrick garland in contempt over failure to comply with subpoenas. but there are whispers that it s possible there are enough moderate republicans that enough monitor republicans are skittish that this might not have the votes to pass, the contempt vote might not have the votes to pass seen as lauren fox has been whipping the votes on capitol hill, or at least counting him, where did thanks dan, this morning? lauren john, you re putting a lot of pressure on me as a vote counter, but behind closed doors, leadership is still trying to ensure that they have the support they need to go to the floor to try and advance his contempt devote. this is going to happen as soon as later today. what we expect to see on the house floor around 1030 they will vote on the actual rule governing the debate over this vote on contempt against merrick garland. but as you noted, there are some concerns that there could be some moderate holdouts and because the speaker only has a two-vote margin, that does mean that he has to get all of his ducks in a row before this actually comes to the floor. a critical meeting they will happen this morning at 9:00 a.m. when house republicans will gather for their weekly conference meeting, that is obviously going to be an opportunity for republican leadership and key voices on those committees to make the case for their colleagues. why this is so important to advance right now. but this all stems from the fact that republicans want to get those audio tapes of robert hur s special counsel, robert hur s interview with joe biden. we do have the transcript, but republicans arguing that they need that audio tape because they think that it could help them in their investigation in the biden family, they also say that they want to make sure that the transcript was accurate. they have not voiced exactly why they think it would not be consistent. john, lauren pfos in washington for us, counting the votes, let us know where things stand when you find that lauren. thank you very much us officials. are tracking a group of russian warships in the caribbean, right now, they include a nuclear powered submarine and also warships carrying hypersonic missiles. final destination, cuba, russia s military is planning to run drills with its high-precision weapons in the atlantic ocean war games that the pentagon says poses no direct threat to the us. but war games nonetheless, that vladimir putin is trying to use, as his latest muscle flex against the west seen as patrick oppmann joys us from havana, cuba with much more than this patrick, what are you hearing about this? good morning. well, cnn is also tracking these russian warships and they re actually right behind us. we re going to try to focus in. we could see them. it s a bit of a cloudy day. and behind that statue there you can just make out the lead russian, forget the admiral gorski have which as you were saying, carries hypersonic missiles it is when those modern russian navy ships that vladimir putin has in his navy and is at this moment bring havana harbor, one of four of these ships, including nuclear-powered submarine that is expected to arrive today in cuba, arrived in the next few hours into havana harbor. you see it just coming up behind that statue there as it makes its way into the port of havana. and there are russian ships, russian naval ships that come to cuba over the years. i don t remember what a convoy as large as this, a convoy that has the latest weaponry that vladimir putin to has at his disposal. so while it may not be a direct threat to the united states, it is very symbolic because vladimir putin has been talking recently about how if the us will deploy weaponry his borders. he could do the same to dus certainly. meaning countries like cuba or