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>> the president wants a real cessation and dismantling of the program. i think the irans think they can get away with it. i don't think they can. what will happen, okay. just think about it. you do a partial deal. leave them with nuclear capability. remove some of the sanctions. the sanction regime collapses. so you have nice editorials. you have a ceremony. everybody claps hands. two weeks later, the sanctions collapse. iran continues to work toward the bomb. a breakout capability. nobody benefits. everybody will understand. people are smart in washington.

>> the president wants a real cessation and dismantling of the program. i think the irans think they can get away with it. i don't think they can. what will happen, okay. just think about it. you do a partial deal. leave them with nuclear capability. remove some of the sanctions. the sanction regime collapses. so you have nice editorials. you have a ceremony. everybody claps hands. two weeks later, the sanctions collapse. iran continues to work toward the bomb. a breakout capability. nobody benefits. everybody will understand. people are smart in washington.

>> final question, if the government shuts down, is it a victory for you? >> no, i don't want the government to shutdown. nobody wants the government to shutdown. no one does, and we want to negotiate with harry reid and the president, and they won't e negotiate with us. the president is talking to the irans, and not to republicans. it is ridiculous. we need to get together to have discussions, but we have given and made concessions, and what have they given? nothing. >> and what concessions have you made? >> well, we went from repeal to delay. i just said, from repeal to defend to delay. >> a...

Important part over here. this is seen by many factions out there, particularly the irans, syria is seen as a front line in their stand against the west, against israel, against the united states and the western powers. they s"csn game daysee syria in. and the question is how would they react? how deeply would that go? beyond that, let's look at the other part of the equation. here's the u.s. and many of its allies, whether they join in or not, would generally stand with them as members of nato. joined by saudi arabia, egypt, maybe depending on what's happening in there. why do we care so much...

Is no success. thonly way toet at those bunker busters and nobody is going to throw nukes at iran. my point ithere isuch reoo d iran than talk about -- >> bl: look, you can carpet bomb them and knock out a their infrastructur you n certainlydo that. >> ii pushing the israelis intaorner of the think there is an outside chance that they will use a nuken the cility because it's the only way -- llill: i don't think they' do that. would do wo be to bomb their frastructures, their ports and everything elsend create havoc andchaos ere. do.that i think they would i got to run. both of you agree that r...