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Collapsing go coterminous as i believe you could say the physical infrastructure and the mental infrastructure are collapsing simultaneously and we are simultaneously giving birth to a Virtual Reality is becoming pervasive and interactive and quiet its meaningful and driving the economy well i was a cartoon avatar you can see it on the screen right now and then here is max he was at the same conference speaking on stage you only spent the half hour on stage with leno but i spent hours there and Walking Around the environment and finding my way around rooms and even though its a cartoon obviously i felt part of that and then when i was interviewing dr adam back i felt like in myself like i was sitting with them and talking to them so even at that rudimentary Virtual Reality level i felt that so whats it going to be like ....