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Political purposes. >> and alex, everyone who ended up serving as a national security adviser for trump has come way -- come out in some way revealing that they laid the body on the railroad tracks for him. not only was trump out in the open about event band inning ukraine, he would've abandoned nato to. >> based on that, i'm quite confident that would eventually have been a large scale war of the same kind, except it would be much more bloody a war. much greater i'm humanitarian catastrophe for ukraine. because it may not have occurred in the first year as it did under the biden administratio...

Right now the diplomatic effort under way with our allies is to make sure we're on the same page. this if they don't completely align, most of the sanctions will be consistent between the alliance structure. but by itself, that's not financial to be sufficient. the russians have built a massive $630 billion war chest to weather sanctions. it's going to take some coercive diplomacy on the part of the u.s., the posturing of u.s. forces in europe to deter russian aggression and with the provision of additional lethal aid. and even then it's probably too late to have a significant effect. i think ...

Bestseller, called here, right matters. and he is a board member of the new democracy initiative thank you for joining me tonight. a lot of people say that biden has unprecedented sanctions against putin and it won't work as a deterrent. sanctions are not good enough your latest piece says that that is not necessarily the case. please explain why. >> actually, i don't think the sanctions are necessarily going to be a sufficient journey. the matter is that the reactionary affects after russia's incursion, but even then there's probably deliberation, right now a diplomatic efforts underway with ...

Trying to do. we have to stop it with diplomacy, with getting our alliance together, with reaffirming nato by making sure we're doubling down on our support for ukraine. that's what's at stake here. we just can't allow that to happen. we have tools. we still have the greatest alliance structure in the history of mankind, truly. with nato and our other partners. so let's leverage that. let's circle our wag ons. let's get our partners on the same page. let's start sending the tools that ukraine needs to defend itself and let's do everything we can to change that balance right now that vladimir p...

Quote here, right now all signs indicate that mr. putin will lock the u.s. into an endless tactical game, take more chunks out of ukraine, and exploit all the frictions and fractures in nato and the european union. it's similarly what secretary cohen has said to me earlier. has putin had the upper hand all along? >> no. i agree with miss hill. she is absolutely right. that's always what putin does. that's always what russia does. that's their playbook. that is exactly what they're trying to do. we have to stop it with diplomacy, with getting our alliance together, with reaffirming nato by maki...