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president to be able to see this to a conclusion. i mean, you do one term and they reverse it when they come in -- [applause] youn't can't have it be reversed. you got to have humility. you can't be prideful, it can't be just about you. >> when he says eight years, every time i hear it i wince, because i say if it takes eight years to turn this around, then you don't want him as your president. paul: let's bring in "wall street journal" columnists and fox news contributor carl karl rove, he served as southeastern adviser the president george w. bush. karl, well co. the former preside...

Extent that people vote with their feet, ron desantis' florida was doing a much better job urn covid than new york's -- urn covid than new york's cuomo. paul: and the economic fallout was much lower in florida because they opened much sooner -- >> exactly. paul: also they reopened the schools in the autumn of 2020 which was significantly earlier than new york. >> and i think that you're going to see governor desantis return to this theme. he really thinks he has the upper hand. he wants to talk about this. he will be saying to donald trump, throw me many that briar patch if you want to talk ab...