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Conservative and anchor at theblaze.com and tea party express chairwoman amy cramer. michele bachmann proposing a wall even when some of of her fellow republicans on the hill admit a more nuanced solution. does this resonate with the conservative base still? >> well, you know, i know that you've covered cpac for many years. and what the media often overlooks is that cpac is full of young people. a lot of those attendees are college activists and they are there for red meat. this is rally. this is a way to get back to some conservative principles. look, we know from polling data a majority of a...

But what the conservative members in the house are pushing to defund or replace -- repeal obama care, they're taking something away from people. insurance from young people 26 years or younger on their parent's health insurance, discounted drug that is seniors are able to get as a result of obama care and they're taking away the possibility of people affording health care. premiums in new york will go down 50% as a result of the affordable care act. >> and learning about what happens across the country, actually. >> there's no comparison of parks, king and yoho and the folks on capitol hill tr...

Every republican living in the real world is about to blink. joining me to talk about the republican efforts to defund the affordable care act is chair of the tea party express aim cramer, an opinion writer for "the washington post" jonathan capehart. thank you both for joining me. >> thank you, karen. >> thanks for having me. >> amy, i want to start with you. i think the concern i think a lot of us have is, you know, when we talk about the accomplishments of obama care, the people who are already covered, talking about taking something away from people and shutting the government down to make...

America. >> i mean, so, amy, how can you say that the conservatives, republicans, aren't talking about shutting down the government and just two members republican members talking about exactly doing that? >> well, i'm sure that they were answering questions about it. i have never heard anybody advocate to go out and shut the government down. we passed a cr that is going to fund the government. if the government is shut down, it's because harry reid and president obama want to shut the government down. no one's talking about the fact that months ago president obama and harry reid both said the...

0 want the government shut down and they don't want obama care. >> obama care is coming, folks! run for your lives. >> they're focused on trying to mess with me. >> don't run for your lives. that will make you healthier and that's what he wants. >> do your job. >> you know the republicans will be blamed for the shutdown. >> we are winning right now. >> extortion. >> extort. >>er extortion and blackmail. >> a cam ka zee mission. >> i will do anything necessary and anything possible. >> stuff he's saying there is wicked stupid. ♪ >> it seemed over the summer like a harebrain hair has now becom...