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A bipartisan push for a measure that would chop congressional pay by 5%. it would be the first pay cut since the great depression. my next guest is leading the charge. democratic congresswoman anna kilpatrick of arizona. why a 5% acut? >> this bill is not dead. i'm asking for it to be put in the appropriation bill. take a 5% pay cut, first time since 1933 during the great depression. i don't know anyone who hasn't had a pay cut in 77 years. >> are you showing coll date -- solidarity with everybody or trying to cut costs or saying, you don't deserve it because you have not conducted government ...

middle class tax cuts before the election. what am i missing? >> look, i think most people agree with you. if you want to run november 2nd, it's a good idea to propose goodies for the taxpayers prior to november 2nd and get it passed. however there's a little something called the debt commission looking into the national debt and what we can do about the debt. it's reporting december 1st december 1st and that deadline wasn't picked by accident. it's after the election. so the tax cuts, the renewal potentially of part of the bush tax cuts program, is being kicked down the road until a...