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Either a democratic senate or republican senate. and let's see how the democrats will vote on these areas that they have snuffed out of the debate. those republican ideas were taken off the table because either the unions don't like them or the democratic special interests don't. i mean, the trial lawyers would never let obama agree with tort reform. much like the purchase of general motors was to aid the unions that supported them. >> all right, joe. jump in. >> well, you could have gone on any number of republican websites over the past six months. and you would have heard them saying the sa...

Not tell us all along that a mandate for insurance companies would never work unless there were cost controls? and you and i both know there are no cost controls. the difference between you and me is you want a federal bureaucracy to set up those cost controls. i want the free market to do it. but i think we both want the antitrust exemption lifted and want insurance companies to compete. there is no more competition for insurance companies. in fact, i know you know matt iglesias would think progress. he said this, quote, special interest groups were able to get 85% of what they wanted in exch...

Think -- >> nobody's suggesting that. no, no, no. i'm just suggesting that they're not putting an alternative on the people. i don't think any intelligence person will say republicans don't want to insure. that's never been my argument, let's put it that way. >> i'm just going to say as we go to break, though, republicans have offered alternatives. paul ryan has. i have. i've been talking about allowing americans to buy insurance across lines, ending the ridiculous, the absolutely ridiculous exemption, antitrust exemption that allows health insurance companies to price fix, tort reform. there ...

Struck by this. i had for another reason, a visit with a firefighter in a county in virginia. who has a 23-year-old daughter. so she can no longer be on the family policy. she's got a preexisting condition. she can't get insurance. if this bill passes, she will be on the family insurance policy. it's those kinds of results that's going to ultimately carry the day, i believe. >> one of the things that has struck me through this entire debate, has been the perpetuation of some of the insurance monopolies and the antitrust exemption for the insurance monopolies, which is sustained in the senate b...

Deprived of people who the government is telling they have to buy health insurance. and that can be a bitter pill to swallow. when i get a law that says you got to go buy this, dylan. but we've got a monopoly on the other side of the table. and yes, they have to cover preexisting, but maybe the price of it so so outrageous and there's no competition, that i actually can't do it how do you get through all that? >> well there are provisions in the bill for example, the creation of the exchange. and the goal of the exchange is to expand people's options. you do see some separate things moving on ...