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You and you think you can make a difference, you've got to do it, and that's why he was there. and so none of us in the room had any clue of what he was going to testify to until he testified. o it's not like there was something -- we had no idea, but then listening to him, and you can see the shock on my face and i think democrats as well as the republicans. and that's why they had no real -- for an hour because it's equal amount of time in that room. democrats would have an hour to question, and republicans had an hour to question. they could not come up with anything subsitant, and i think ...

And in alex vindman's testimony and ambassador yovanovitch's testimony, they have one by one obliterated and eviscerated the subsitant was defenses the white house and president trump's defenders have put forward, the idea this was about corruption generally and not about the bidens specifically. the idea you're needed to do its fair share, and we had to hold this back -- one by one all of those have fallen apart. that's why i think it's notable, lawrence, that we're now seeing president trump rely on one defense that is non-substantive but it's actually incredibly disturbing. and this is what...