Pc equipment, but it is a balance that i think that we really need to strongly take a hard look at in order to provide the sufficient amount of armor to the ukrainians. >> we only have about 30 seconds left. do you think that we should overcome our reluctance to upset the russians and give them long-range utility and jet fighters? >> yes, i agree. at this point, you can see what the russians are doing. they're pounding the ukrainian infrastructure. they're killing civilians, and we must do something to break this. the fighters jets, apache helicopters, any kind of attack helicopters. the armor...