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Provided during the nixon and clinton inquiries. and they mean it. the judiciary committee is actually even distributing this handy new chart that shows every protection that clinton and nixon got with check marks that the democrats will give church -- trump those and even more. now to be clear, i want to say some are getting a copy of democrats do in committee. anyone with an internet connection can get that. how the public and senate view this, whether trump is enabled to send lawyers to talk but to shape these hearings, to question witnesses, to object to whether certain witnesses or everyd...

Responsibility for that? >> i think the history of crisis management goes back longer than this administration, and i think the divisions in congress are -- is as deep as they've been in modern times. you know, you look at what we've been able to accomplish notwithstanding all the noise. we're in a very different place now than we were even in 2011, 2010. our deficit is cut in half as a percentage of the economy from when the president took office. >> aren't automatic spending cuts, which the president opposed, a big reason for that? >> it's part of that, but there is a tendency in washington ...

I think the message going forward is there was a turning point on wednesday night, and this won't happen again. it can't happen again. >> the journal has a piece of headline that says, obama wins -- big whoop -- can he lead? is that the crisis management that the president decries? is that the lasting part of his legacy here? doesn't he have to absorb a big responsibility for that? >> i think the history of crisis management goes back longer than this administration, and i think the divisions in congress are -- is as deep as they've been in modern times. you know, you look at what we've been a...