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In place? steed of just trying to get rid of guns? >> we could research which we aren't doing. we don't treat it like an epidemic that it is. we are not allowed to. >> david, do you agree there is an epidemic of gun violence? >> there is no less guns. no more guns. we all had guns in our truck in high school. and nobody shot up the schools. i think we have to look at what the real problem s i don't think it's the guns. i think maybe we have to look at some parenting. >> i think at a certain point when it seems like your right to a gun trumps my right of keeping my children alive, there is a pr...

Immigrants. we don't have any problem with that you come into this country, did you go through the process and then you stand up at the end and you say the pledge of allegiance. then that -- we know that you are -- that you want to make a perfect citizen to help the united states of america. these illegal immigrants aren't doing that they don't have any allegiance to this country. they don't care about this country. that's why they can go out drinking and run over a rising nfl star. americans should be angry at this right now. i mean, totally angry at this. brian: david axelrod tweets out that...

That going after the nfl and players in the nfl and particularly african-american players in the nfl plays well with one narrow slice of the republican base. >> you also note that it's divisive. >> he knows that. he knows exactly what he is doing. he knows full well what he is doing when he chooses these words, when he chooses words like that. he knows what signal he's saying which is basically the guys who are standing, like tom brady, you know, my friends, you know, that's who we respect. those other people who aren't doing that we're demonizing them. >> we don't know who he's voting for or ...

Can i finish? which means third world countries which aren't doing very well. again, i don't think he should speak that way about those countries. but you have to interpret those remarks in the context of the underlying policy which is an emphasis on merit. >> to you is in the context of underlying policy, or less people who are black and more people who are white from norway. >> graham and durbin were -- and that is haitians and el salvadorians who have lost it because the trump administration have lost that status. most of them have been here for almost 20 years and are a large part of the c...

That 54 nations of africa are not shitholes? >> well, i'll challenge you there. we don't know if there were specific countries named and he responded about specific countries. >> are there specific shitholes in africa? name them for us. >> you can have an intellectual conversation without being a racist comparing nigeria like your other guests did and talking about the economy there, talk about the type of people who come here from nigeria, what they contribute to this nation, their education, their -- the -- how much more than they make than white americans. >> you certainly can have that. >>...