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He's been doing this throughout this entire special military operation as he calls it, which is, of course, ridiculous. he's ratcheting up the cruelty on the ukrainian people. >> i'm looking at this from a world perspective, okay? and we are one mistake away from wiping out civilization, okay? so no matter how much right the ukrainians are, you know, we need someone like kissinger to find some kind of a diplomatic solution because i'm afraid that it's going to blow. >> all right. >> jack barski, y, to be contin. >> lionel messi keeps

Officials, there they all are and future high level staff. here to talk with us, malcolm nance. 35 years working in counterterrorism, who wrote the book on this topic. it's called "the plot to destroy democracy, how putin and his spies are undermining america and dismantling with west". also, jack barski. he cooperated with the fbi. he's now an american citizen. he wrote the book "deep undercover -- my secret life and tangled allegiances as a kgb spy in america". jack, you're the only former kgb spy in this conversation. does a number like 14, does that leave coincidence behind and become actu...

Svr would not have been able to get to donald trump and ask him a question, but civilian sub contractors are, because they are not assets that can be quickly and easily identified as members of russian intelligence and that's where i think it's successful. >> jack, i have less than one minute. if she were the pro that you were, a full immersion pro spy, would you imagine what she could have accomplished in this country? >> oh, yeah, very, very, very dangerous. but i just want to say, i agree wholeheartedly with the assessment there's other contributors, folks that are not employees of espionag...

Behaved themselves. so it was easy. it was inviting. >> malcolm, back then it was the trump campaign. now it's the leadership structure in the country you wore the uniform of and fought for overseas. how do you view those 14 individuals? >> well, i take a holistic view of this. first off, they are 14 individual contacts in various times, various locations with various people. but there's one consistency with all 14 of these people, and jack has a really good point about how they were an inviting target, you know, because based on their characteristics, which one of jack's old partners yuri wou...

Federal prosecutors started their day today with the cooperation of someone nark russian operative. mariia butina pleaded guilty. she sought to dish lines with russians. we should note she was successful at that. vladimir putin distanced herself from her. saying he asked around and nobody knew her. sergey lavrov saying we will do everything to enable her return home as soon as possible. jack, as a former kgb spy, i have to ask you. julia yaffi corrected me.