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I was one of the best agents. i didn't get anywhere near these high level people. she did a great job but, you know, unfortunately she didn't have the training and the wherewithal to see this through and not get caught. >> malcolm nance, i've got to read you this and this is fantastic. this is from government papers. in a series in november 8 and 9, 2016 twitter direct messages. gun she's using twitter to talk to the home office. the russian official and butina discussed the presidential results as they were announced. as part of that the same twitter conversation, butina told the russian offi...

Trump. like you said, real trained officers, case officers of the svr would not have been able to get it donald trump and ask him a question. but civilian subcontractors can because they are not actually assets that could be quickly and easily identified as members of russian intelligence. and that's where i think it's successful. >> jack, i have less than a minute. if she'd been the pro that you were, if she'd been a full immersion pro spy, can you imagine what she could have accomplished in this country? >> oh, yeah. very, very dangerous. i just want to say i agree wholeheartedly with the as...

Because they are not actually assets that could be quickly and easily identified as members of russian intelligence. and that's where i think it's successfu successful. >> jack, i have less than a minute. if she'd been the pro that you were, if she'd been a full immersion pro spy, can you imagine what she could have accomplished in this country? >> oh, yeah. very, very dangerous. i just want to say i agree wholeheartedly with the assessment that there's a whole lot more sort of contributors, unofficial folks that are not employees of espionage agencies that russia sends out these days. this di...

35 years working in counterterrorism who rote wrote the book on this topic called the plot to destroy democracy. also we're happy to welcome jack barski back to the broadcast, a former kgb spy. he's now an american citizen. he quote the book "deep undercove undercover,". jack of the three of us you're the only former kgb spy in this conversation. does a number like 14, does that leave coincidence behind and become actual coordination in your mind? who thought we were such an easy mark? >> it's clearly a pattern, but,

>> seriously? >> not even -- whatever question you might have asked because what with i'm seeing here is the investigations continuing and going forward and its political here and there and we constantly battling with one another and vladimir putin just loves it. this is what it calls in our field, the field i was active in in our field, active measures, causing trouble and as long as we're investigating -- this whole memo, your memo is better than my memo -- it's -- it is insane. >> it muddies what the truth is. it gives people reason to grab on to one or the other rather than just knowing wh...