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To buy private shegt insurance, because when i talk to folks, they tell me all the time, i'd rather not be on medicaid but have my own health insurance to go to my own doctors and make the choices for myself. that is the better way to approach this situation. >> congressman ruiz, you're standing next to congressman reed. i know you agreed to come on television together. you went into politics for a reason because you want to serve the american people. as you stand there side by side are you buying what he's saying? >> you know -- i'm going to -- i'm going to believe his intentions and also the...

There. can you explain what seems so foreign to all of us, how most americans just aren't -- at least the swing voters, just aren't idealogical. >> i'll try. if you look at politic in america, joe, over the last 30 years, we're conditioned to thinking about it as a contest down the middle of the field between right and left, between the 45 yard lines. that's where american politics takes place. now, increasingly the divide in the ectorate is a horizontal line. and it's between the elites who run institutions, who have lost credibility and trust and everybody else. elise is involved in a projec...