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They have record profits. if we raise taxes on the big corporations who aren't paying, raise taxes on people using international loopholes, raise taxes on the wealthy who are not paying their fair share, we can pay for every one of those investments in the package without a penny of taxes on people making under $400,000 a year, and without a penny being added to the long-term federal debt. in fact, passing these tax changes, making the people who aren't paying pay their fair share, collecting taxes from people who owe them and are dodging taxes by using loopholes, using lawyers and accountants...

We've had people become billionaires during the pandemic. they should pay their fair share of taxes. we've had 55 big corporations pay nothing in taxes. they have record profits. if we raise taxes on the big corporations who aren't paying, raise taxes on people using international loopholes, raise taxes on the wealthy who are not paying their fair share, we can pay for every one of those investments in the package without a penny of taxes on people making under $400,000 a year, and without a penny being added to the long-term federal debt. in fact, passing these tax changes, making the people ...

Some of president biden's team members, economic team members, who have said, one of the most important parts of this bill is this tiny bit of funding to the irs. $40 billion that's meant to go to the irs. and what's it going to do, bring in tax dollars. not new taxes, no new regulations, but the irs has been underfunded for years. this new funding of the irs will empower them to actually collect all of that money from people who aren't paying. yet they're now taking it out of the bill. why on earth would day do that? it's the one thing in there with the biggest return on investment. >> well, ...

The white house has rejected that. they've said that's a reaggressive it tax that applies to everybody, it hurts lower income people more than the wealthy people. so they want to go with the income tax. the other solution is, let's collect the taxes that tax cheats aren't paying. the estimates are half a trillion to $1 trillion a year, willie, of money that isn't collected, mostly from high-income people who have all the lawyers and the accountants to game the system and that's one way, and the republicans play no to that as well. the rock that it's going to founder on is how it's paid for and...

Pushing them into poverty. doug, though, the number in north carolina, 436,000? i can't imagine that those are all cases where people have a poverty issue. are some people just deadbeats, not paying the fines? what do you do with this law? >> you totally read my mind. first a little context. 43 states currently have this type of statute, which, you know, results in revocation or suspension of a driver's license for failure to pay the fine. to your point, i understand what eric's saying, and he's right, if it targets somebody who shutly cannot pay the fine, that's one issue. mixing apples and o...