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So, yes, it's up to them to maneuver left, right, whether to attack on the ground or with their limited armored vehicles, whether to put -- but here's the thing, this is a struggle of competitive reorganization and reinforcement. so the ukrainians aren't kidding when they've been -- 500 stingers and javelins from the united states. they need it. we need more than that. they need artillery ammunition, they probably need replacement artillery tubes and systems and need some armored vehicles. these aren't things that will come from the u.s. inventory but we need to be working with nations to give...

It is power of the cooks. power in the kitchen. >> what you are saying is there's a group that wants to mobilize that crowd and send them off towards the capital. without a permit, we should know. without security. without any sort of checks for who would control the crowd, who would lead, them who would make sure that things don't get out of hand. and you are in the opera sit saying that we shouldn't do. that and the moment you lost that internal debate is when the president of the united states said -- to the crowd that now you are going to come with me down to the capitol so that they can h...

Ridiculousness. >> -- dustin, what i'm trying to say is that. >> joe biden is the president. >> no, i want something more than that. the claim that the election was stolen. that there was a widespread of manipulating a balance. from the software's two individuals that were systematically broadly stealing votes. i just want to establish a clear reality. here >> those specifically are false claims. >> great. >> democrats and republicans. >> we've made so much progress here dusted. >> every floor, whoever loses then goes on to say, well it was broken this way and broken that way. it's not because...

And that is what people smarting than me have looked into. they say they have -- >> until the five justices of supreme court say, no. >> so let them. sue say that we want you to have to pay thousands of dollars of student loan. >> better to acts for forgiveness than permission. >> this is an issue that we talk to young folks about. they are under dead. these are the things that motivate them. and i can tell you how dumb the politics are to have them starting in february. >> what do you think? there is a lot of back and forth about where the economy is right now. and one of the things i wanted ...

Look like. we kind of lost that battle. and we didn't realize we lost that battle until president trump told people to walk down to the capitol. and we put several events in d.c. before. we knew the kind of logistics it took to do that safely. the marshals, the security, the stage, the sound. all the things you have to be able to do to safely manage a crowd of that size. and we knew that wasn't in place, and we knew that the people that they had asked to leave that were not people who should ever be associated with something as solemn as the white house. and so for us, it was devastating. it w...