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Probably know, "the washington post" fact checker, their analysis reports that the president of the united states has made 8,158 false or misleading claims in his first two years. how do you reconcile that? >> well, i don't know how to reconcile that, because i don't know. you have a fact checker for the president but i don't know if you have a fact checker for the media at the same time. >> pastor graham, pastor graham, you and i both know that this president has said things over and over that aren't true. >> no, i don't know that. i don't sit around and try to find every fault in the preside...

Everywhere. >> andy: but there is a particular reason for it in washington. that is, a lot of times what you need to cover up in politics is crummy, icky political stuff that you've done that would be embarrassing and that the voter might take out on you if they found out about it. but it's not necessarily a violation of the criminal law. like taking information from bad people. there's a lot of awful things to say and feel about that. it's not a violation of the criminal law. i think a lot of times what these guys do is they say things that aren't true, and they tried to cover up the facts th...

I have the documents. they gave him a script. if he reads from the script, no jail. if he doesn't read from the script, he gets maybe five years in jail. >> so you are -- >> so what's the temptation to read from the script, if you are a guy like cohen who was a lawyer taping his own client and lying to him about it. taping chris cuomo and lying to him about it. stealing money back when he was fiercely loyal. in this transaction just uncovered, he kept $37,000. >> so let me just ask you, because you -- >> the guy is a complete scoundrel. you can't believe him. i used to like michael. i'm so dis...

>> your position on michael cohen is long established. you've just been talking about and suggesting that the special counsel is not on the up and up. that he's trying to get people to say things that aren't true. i want you to take a listen to something president trump said on sunday -- >> he wouldn't say that. in fairness to the special counsel, they would say, they -- maybe they believe that's the truth. that's what the adversary process is all about. but don't take it as, you know, gospel because guys have pled guilty in my experience, to things they didn't do in order to get out of worse ...

>> the white house, as far as i know, have not acknowledged that they have lied about anything. >> correct. i think that's -- they have acknowledged sometimes errors. very infrequently. so this is why when i had a lot of people around the white house and around the president saying to me today, why is everyone not just -- why do they have -- why does the trump team have to give a response? because people are not going to just assume that because the president's folks say we're not going to dignify this, that that suggests that there is something wrong with the buzzfeed reporting. there's a cos...