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Jonathan, because president obama is sending brain waves out to liberals everywhere. >> to liberals everywhere maybe -- but aren't we talking about a division that was run by a conservative republican? >> indeed we are, my friend. >> so what rush limbaugh is saying that the president is so overwhelmingly powerful that he could get a conservative republican to go against his own deep philosophy to do the president's spin. it is ridiculous, this whole thing has been ridiculous from the very beginning. and if there was a there, there, you better believe that chairman issa would have had it out th...

Nia-malika, to that point the president says he welcomes debate about privacy versus security but aren't we talking about a secret program that he intended to keep private basically? >> yeah, i mean, for me anytime says they welcome debate, i'm not sure how much i believe them. >> you think it's the exact opposite. >> in some ways, i think it is. a conversation that was forced on this president. the white house pushes back and says listen, this president two weeks ago or so had a pretty prominent speech about his philosophy about drones and the government's role in that program. this was unexp...

Alive, one thing i will say is where is the picture about mental health? the guy who killed her husband had tried to kill himself a couple of years earlier, had been in a mental institution, his family knew he had problems. how he was able to go out there and yet do this and we didn't have, knowing this guy should not have been able to purchase a weapon, that he should have been on a list, he was able to buy what he wanted to. he actually tried to kill himself. >> the pictures for mental health are newtown and aurora. >> that's my point. so why aren't we talking about one of the biggest issues...

Business to what it's going to do to the economy. >> very sharp, senator warren. whether a minimum wage increase and why. we've heard all this madness on the other side, especially small business people. we won't be able to pay insurance and the like. is that a real reasonable and persuasive argument? >> no and in fact, we have a real world experiment that tells us about this. in new jersey a few years ago, they raised the minimum wage. they did it in pennsylvania. there was an examination of fast food and it turned out that in new jersey, hiring went up and in pennsylvania, hiring went down. ...

Business to what it's going to do to the economy. >> very sharp, senator warren. whether a minimum wage increase and why. we've heard all this madness on the other side, especially small business people. we won't be able to pay insurance and the like. is that a real reasonable and persuasive argument? >> no and in fact, we have a real world experiment that tells us about this. in new jersey a few years ago, they raised the minimum wage. they did it in pennsylvania. there was an examination of fast food and it turned out that in new jersey, hiring went up and in pennsylvania, hiring went down. ...