atta attack. they see our resolve breaking and it becomes a tweet without meaning he s hurt himself in forth corkorea. he ll look in the eyes of russia and iran. we have full coverage today for you from the top stories from white house correspondent jeff bennett and rodriguez and alexi from axios and npr and i ll talk to castro coming up. let s head to the white house for reaction. jeff, another good day to you on this sunday. what can you tell us? president trump responded using what is his favorite me megaphone twitter to level the most direct criticism yet. president trump says putin wbr id= wbr1755 /> bears responsibility for that deadly chemical weapons attack in /b> out saying we don t want the united states to get embroiled in another war in the middle east. there is still a lot of feeling along americans that we went into the war in iraq under pretense that was false, there was a lot of fatigue about being in iraq for so long and so the support for any action fell apart. we ended up doing was a compromise which was a train and equip mission to train syria to fight their battle against assad while other countries got involved including russia and the trade and equip program fell apart. it was a failure but an attempt to help them help themselves. in 2013, 2014, you remember the way that episode was revolved russia agreed they would come and work with syria and get syria to export chemical weapons or give up chemical weapons so those couldn t be used against the people of syria. it s clear that that russia allowed them to keep some of the ch chemical gas. john bolton starts his job, national security advisor starts tomorrow and mike pompeo thursday. you expressed grave concerns about both men but are you encouraged how they will advice the president in response to the syria attack and going forward? i ve been critical but those roles, it s true in those roles they will be rookies here at a very critical time. particularly with a new s secretary of state and we have an over sight ability. sit where you are. i want to ask you more about what is happening along the border but right now i want to get further information. 250 are heading to the texas bored e.r.s part of the 4,000 approved by secretary of defense mat its. maya rodriguez is there at the border down of hildago. troops are arriving. have they arrived and what is the reaction or anticipation of them getting there. reporter: we haven t seen troops living yet and it not clear where they will be deployed. this is like you mentioned the community of hilalgo. mexico is quite further south in addition to sending national guard members of the 3w0 border, they would be sending equipment and helicopters. we haven t seen those but as you know, it s a long one along the state of texas. we re expecting to hear more details about this plan in the coming days, alex? i ll ask you to do something. i don t know if you can based on your camera but i m trying to figure out how tall the lower parts of that wall behind you are compared to a person. i mean, would it be easily jumped over, climbed over by somebody, clearly those tall sections absolutely not. but i m curious how this wall is received by the locals there, how easy it would be to be penetrated? reporter: as you can see, this is at least 20 to 25 feet tall. there are other parts of the wall that are half that size further down here. this is actually a water treatment area that is run by the local municipality, that s part of the reason this wall is set up here. basically, what you are hearing from people here is that not so much issues about the wall per se there is that concern about having sort of those boots on the ground along the border. what will that look like and mean for them? those are questions they have even though we seen past presidents deploy the national guard. folks in general are okay with that wall physically being there. if you can look behind you and have your camera man pan down, it looks like that maybe, what, 10-foot high wall is exists as you go further down. is that as far you can see the kind of wall we re talking about? reporter: yeah, it is. i would say it s like it s cut in half literally as you go further down. it goes down for miles and sort of the ten-foot high section as you described there. there is a gate here and of course, that gate opens and closes and that again, is for the water treatment that s going on in this area so that vehicles can get in and out. i ll tell you this and i m sorry, there is a plane flying low not related to the national guard. we seen customs and border patrol going up and down this levee for two days now that we ve been here so they patrol up and down. they keep an eye even though this wall is physically here. thank you for the extended coverage and for answering my questions and giving us a good look at it. let s bring in congressman castro from texas. when you hear maya s report, do you concur can the fact the residents down in that part of texas are okay with having a wall, some what insightunsightl like what it does. most folks in texas and south texas disagree with further expanding that wall. they are against building a border wall across the united states of america and people are against militarization of communities in south texas and west texas. what makes this most agreesoegr is we have to consider the fact border crossings from the south are about at a 40 or 45-year low. what do you attribute that we have more border patrol officers on the southern border than we ve ever had in our history. we have something like three times what we had in 2004. so i think rather than militarizing the border, the president ought to let border patrol do it s job. why do you think you re seeing this 40, 45% drop in border crossings? you don t necessarily support the sending of national guard troops down there to continue patrolling the border. no, i don t think that s what folks who signed up for the national guard signed up for. i think they have better uses and i don t think we should militarize those places. we ought to let border patrol do their jobs. again, border crossings are at a 40-plus year low. if you look back 20 years, they were hundreds of thousands higher pehigh higher persons higher than now. this mostly is an issue of politics for the president. it s a way for him to continue scapegoating immigrants, creating fear among americans about immigrants, even though border crossings again are at a historic low. before i let you go, i want to ask you about a bill you are co-sponsoring here, sanctions bill against russia. it s with republican congressman mike turner. how different would this be with the sanctions we saw against the russian oligarchs? this bill would sanction russian companies but also any russian individuals found responsible for the sales bisbu attack. it would be a strong response specifically to that incident. okay. representative castro of texas. thank you for the extended appearance. i appreciate that. trump on the record, the president denies reports of another falling out within the white house. who is on the chopping block now? 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a couple things. john kelly threatened to quit more than once and it speaks to the larger problem nobody feels stable or secure in their job. there is daily unpredictability or chaos and john kelly is not safe from that. and i think we saw this exact same rhetoric from trump in his tweet today calling the washington post fake news when he was consider a shakeup of the legal team. it turned out it was true and john dowd resigned. he feels undermined by the president and he s a four-star general who is not used to having this treatment. it s no secret he is looking for a way out. okay. and tim, what are you hearing concerning what alexi just said. the president will deny reports in the past and turn out to be true. what are you hearing about the dynamic and standing long-term or otherwise for john clkelly i the white house. he s a form er marine corps officer. he doesn t get there without thriving in discipline and order. that s what he s used to. that s at the beginning of his tenure he brought to the white hou house. that article out lines for all on us how this situation is devolving in the white house that john kelly is starting to be cut out of key meetings and no longer controlling the schedule for the president. it was really interesting steve bannon said not that long ago if the president gets rid of john kelly, it s unlikely he would actually replace him with a meaningful successor. the president thrives on a sense of chaos and a team of rivals type situations. also that he trusts his own instinct. the president thinks he s the most qualified to make the decisions. you guys have both mentioned this article. i want to read more from it. one senior white house official disputed his relationship with trump is turbulent noting the president still talks to him. he pefeels less of a need and feels increasingly emboldened to act alone. the president is just growing comfortable with the role and sidelines aids in the process? that s absolutely it. it s 15 months in. he feels more enboldened, being impulsive and unpredictable. john kelly when he came in eight months ago was an immediate thorn in president trump eastside because he was trying to install more control and sanity in the white house, more order. trump is not someone that operates in this way. we re seeing john kelly is not briefed on certain things or i m told there are often times john kelly and president trump are on the same page and thinks things are going great and goes rogue and tweets something. it s clear he s being undermined and he doesn t need a chief of staff in kelly, only himself. so why is he still there? that s an interesting question. we ll see whether or not he remains in that role. but the bottom line is the president is the most powerful politician in the most powerful country in the world. you know, you can t just wing it when it comes to scheduling and policy and that sort of thing. there does need to be some handling in the sense of staff, senior aids and so there does need to be an individual that takes that role to manage what is going on in the white house. we want to get to syria, an important issue that cropped up front and center. the president condemning this attack while also blaming russia, iran and president obama by extension here. what do you make of that reaction, alexi? this is the first time, i believe, that president trump has called out vladimir putin by name. he s usually hesitant to wave a finger at him. it cannot go ignored. when just days ago president trump was threatening to pull out u.s. troops and now we have a chemical weapons attack, he can t sit by. he sent air strikes to syria as retaliation response. we can expect much of the same. the big thing is how he s bringing putin into this. this is coming, again, as trump maintains he wants to have a co-co corporative relationship but he s still sort of being nice to putin except in this one tweet today. tim, to alexi s point, do you think this could change the u.s. strategy as outlined by the president? look, this is a seven-year civil war. hundreds of thousands of people have died. the president has made a red line here. last year he said that chemical weapon attacks would not be tolerated. we need to figure out exactly what sort of agent was used in this scenario but the president has made his view clear on this. the fact is, though, that people die in syria every single day and they die from conventional means, as well as these graphic images we re seeing from a chemical weapon attack and there is no end in sight and clear strategy for how these deaths stop. the president hasn t outlined it. other regional partners haven t outlined it. the war continues and the death whether from chemical attacks or barrel bombs or types of ammunition, they continue unabat unabated. good to talk to both of you. thank you so much. thank you. up next, fire at trump tower. we ll tell you the key piece of equipment missing from the apartment buildings where the flames broke out. eliquis had both. .and that turned around my thinking. don t stop eliquis unless your doctor tells you to. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don t take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. if you had a spinal injection while on eliquis call your doctor right away if you have tingling, numbness, or muscle weakness. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily. and it may take longer than usual for bleeding to stop. seek immediate medical care for sudden signs of bleeding, like unusual bruising. eliquis may increase your bleeding risk if you take certain medicines. tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures. eliquis treats dvt and pe blood clots. plus had less major bleeding. both made eliquis right for me. ask your doctor if switching to eliquis is right for you. i ve been making blades here at gillette for 20 years. i bet i m the first blade maker you ve ever met. there s a lot of innovation that goes into making our thinnest longest lasting blades on the market. precision machinery and high-quality materials from around the world. nobody else even comes close. it s about delivering a more comfortable shave every time. invented in boston, made and sold around the world. now starting at $7.99. gillette. the best a man can get. hou penthouse afarmpartmenapart. 67-year-old todd brassnard died. the president was not home at the time but tweeted thanks to firefighters. six of them were injured but we re told all firefighters will be okay. alex? all right. now i want to talk about the sprinkler system. you had mentioned that. what is the deal there? there was no sprinklers? reporter: yeah, that s right. the new york fire department says there is no sprinklers here. any newer building would be required to have a sprinkler system. that wasn t passed until the 90s. it was grandfathered in and will make it more difficult. you can i m hmaginmagine. thank you blake mccoy. my next guest found how robert mueller avoided leaks. why nobody knows what is going on inside the mueller investigation. he s a serious guy and hates people who talk to the press. joining me now is the writer of that piece, zackery fryer bigs, national security and intelligence reporter with fox. zackery, does this mean you ll never get an interview with bob mueller yourself because he doesn t want you talking to me? i would love to get an interview. the invitation is open. i highly doubt it. all right. let s talk about his destain for the press before we get into other issues. is that you think equal to that of president trump the way he views the press or is it different? i think it s different in that with president trump we see direct attacks against the press. with bob mueller, what you see is more just a lack of comprehend as to why someone would leak to or spend time with the press outside of an official capacity. it s more about him viewing his job as maintaining this investigation and progressing the investigation but not working with the press. here is what jumped out most at me when i was reading your article. that is he is surrounded by people who are loyal to him. and that is something that seems to be everywhere. people, they do not talk. they have been with him a long time and respect him clearly. compare that to what happens in the white house. there seems to be a different loyalty, ironic considering how much this president values loyalty and specifically asks for it. yeah, i think the comparison that i tend to lean on is the ken star investigation and when that was going on, you had a constant turnover of personnel and that meant you had targets for reporters to talk to constantly leaving the team. mueller s team is pretty much consistent from get-go. he s only lost one person from within his original team. so when you look at it, this is a tight knit group. a lot of them worked with him for years inside of the justice department and private practice and they are keeping their mouths shut. it s suggested it will be less about hate and character trait with loyalty with the president but the climate in washington given that overall international interest in this story, as well, prevalence of social media, is there another threat that helps mueller pull this off this kind of loyalty and this vacuum that remains just on to those on this investigation team? so, i think that mueller can work within the confines of his team and within the confines of his authorities as a special counsel. i don t think he has to work whether it s using that outside pressure in any way. he s got subpoena power, he s got the ability to compel testimony, get evidence, all of the sorts of things a prosecutor would need. using that outside pressure is only really helpful if you think in someway it will change the odds in your interaction with somebody and from all the lawyers i talked to, they think that s unnecessary. the element of surprise with defense attorneys not knowing what is coming out of the mueller probe is more powe tablet. we have to consider james comey s book is coming out. is that something mueller will frown upon, he ll do a big book tour? he s doing a massive book tour and the tickets are now incredibly expensivexpensive. i would imagine that mueller is not overly fond of the idea of any investigations spilling out into a book or on to a book tour but at the same time, there is not much he can do about it. he s got to find a way to progress the investigation regardless of comey. very good article zackery y fryer-briggs. up next, president trump calling out vladimir putin out by name. the results of this, next. at ameriprise financial, we can t predict what tomorrow will bring. but our comprehensive approach to financial planning can help make sure you re prepared for what s expected and even what s not. and that kind of financial confidence can help you sleep better at night. with the right financial advisor, life can be brilliant. from only the thickest, juiciest heinz tomatoes. no one grows ketchup like heinz™. come to my window ohh crawl inside wait by the light of the moon applebee s to go. order online and get $10 off $30. now that s eatin good in the neighborhood. and get $10 off $30. discover card. i justis this for real?match, yep. we match all the cash back new cardmembers earn at the end of their first year, automatically. whoo! i got my money! hard to contain yourself, isn t it? 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i don t know. i suspect not. if i were to speculate and i guess we re doing that, i think that donald trump s world view and remember, john bolten, his security advisor starts the job on monday. they aren t about big military presence and help building states. that doesn t mean they are not able to send cruise missiles but it means the presence that we ve had is something. donald trump doesn t see a winnable solution in syria but he s driven to get out as military advisors want to stay. i don t think as horrible as this tragedy is, donald trump will be thrown off that desire to get out of syria but that doesn t mean we re not going to see cruise missiles rain down on some targets now and then as america pulls back behind borders but delivers a punch after something we don t like. what do you think the chances are of him doing that? let s look how quickly lly he responded. he would do it quickly if he does it, is that the sense? i don t know if they will go into that situation f. he doesn t punish syria and punish the regime there for what has happened now, donald trump looks very weak because he himself has set up a behavior through which to look at what he does and that was to attack that chemical weapons portal, the polite attack, very little damage. the russians were advised and advanc advanced. it s very clear. we have understand the russians in my view are colluding with the syrians in keeping these chemical weapons under wraps and on the side. we depended on the russians to help get chemical weapons out of syria as part of the deal and that s when barack obama did not move in and did not attack syria after the so-called red line and became a significato the chemic treaty. russia has helped that and right now they are protecting them. we re on a train wreck with that. i don t know what donald trump will do but if he stays true to form and isn t ridiculed, he ll have to find a way to punish the regime. everything you ve just said begs this question, steve, is there a scenario under which you could see a u.s. russian conflict on the ground there? we almost are there. a number of times, yes. i think it is easy. the last time we gave early word to the russians, the russians were cleared out. i suspect we will work hard to make sure russians are not within range of whatever we attack again. we have no interest in an american conflict but the theater is so close, the targets are so close, we have confusion between u.s. supported folks being killed by russians, russian supported troops being attacked by u.s. allied forces. in a proxy contest it s close. it s a danger but you will see even this trump white housework very closely to both deliver a blow to assad but to try to make sure that the russians are out of the way, the russians are going to yell but i think we ll try and show them, give them the benefit of at least forwarning of when we do. good to get you here in the studio. thank you. coming up next, could the work impeachment give republicans an edge? i ll talk about this with my panel of strategists next. managing blood sugar isn t a marathon. it s a series of smart choices. like using glucerna to replace one meal or snack a day. only glucerna has carbsteady. unique blends of slow-release carbs to help manage blood sugar. every meal. every craving. it s the choices you make when managing blood sugar that are the real victories. glucerna. everyday progress. at ally, we offer low rates on home loans. but if that s not enough, we offer our price match guarantee too. and if that s not enough. we should move. our home team will help you every step of the way. still not enough? 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(vo) the best things in life keep going. that s why i got a subaru, too. love is out there. find it in a subaru crosstrek. if you re the epa administrator and two lobbiests change the locks, you got a problem. the bottom line is this doesn t look good. i like scott. he s done a good job from my point of view being epa administrator but the congress has an oversight rule here and we ll see where this goes. does it look like he s engaged in questionable behavior to you? i don t think you can get a room for $50 a night. republican senator lindsey graham on the ethics question scott pruitepa chief scott pruit is facing, but the president is doubling down on his support for pruitt, tweeting defense of his security spending and epa record and going on to say his rent was about market rate, travel expenses okay. let s bring in former dnc chairman howard dean, and republican strategist susan. front and center. that s all good. i love that. howard, how do you defend this if you re the president, given this $50 a night room rate in capitol hill? come on, that s nowhere near the going rate. the $3 million for security details. he travels with 20 people, the first-class tickets. come on. two points about scott pruitt. he s terrible for the country and doing what most americans hate. you know, his behavior has been appalling. as a professional, he has no profession. secondly, he s a terrific gift for the democrats. this guy is a crook. he s dishonest as the day is long. he s engaged in things that would have gotten most people fired if we had a president with the slightest amount of ethics. he s a great campaign poster for us. we re going to go all over the country. why, because you re going to put a swamp pick neture next to? the president campaigned on draining the swamp. if you drain the swamp and you find all the gunk at the bottom, that would be pruitt. that s how it would go. and that s why he shouldn t stay around because the governor is a thousand percent right. he will be a perfect campaign ad. president trump promised to drain the swamp. and he kept it intact. that s the biggest problem facing this president. so i think once he either sees either that kind of ad come out or potentially another story. there s a lot of talk there s other things to still come out against him. so that could really turn the president s tide. you think one more big, bad dark head line and that s it? here s what i think that s more problematic. he didn t get this way when he got to washington. he was doing this when he was attorney general of oklahoma. sooner or later, somebody is going to do the research on him in oklahoma and find out there s stuff like this. this guy is dishonest. you don t get dishonest just because you go to washington. you usually are a little dishonest before you get there. but with this cabinet, there s also something else interesting. you have a few billionaires and very wealthy people who take betsy devos. she travels on a private plane, but she pays for it. you have some envy in kind of keeping up with the joneses amongst the cabinet. here s the article. in his haste roll-back rules, scott pruitt risks his epa agendas. it says he s been less than rigorous. he puts forth a 97-page paper to address something that it took the obama administration 1300 pages with lots of details and policy and the like, whereas his 97-page paper addressing something was doing a lot of quotes of people in the auto industry and what they did not like and potentially rolling back emissions. i mean, how is it that the president can look at this and say, yeah, he s doing a good job? look, he s a min i me for th president. he pulls other people s ideas. he has no ideas of his own. pruitt is a mini trump. he s not capable of anything. it s no wonder the president likes him. all right, guys. impeachment. let s get to that topic because another new york times article is head lined, and i ll read that. republicans seize on impeachment for edge in 2018 midterms. a strategy is energizing on the right for how to energize conservatives and drive a wedge between the anti-trump left and moderate voters, warn that democrats will immediately move to impeach president trump if they capture the house. does that potentially work for republicans? well, maybe in some conservative states if they re trying to keep if they re worried on the outskirts of some races. any house seat that was narrowly won or lost by the president, if you bring the president in as the deciding factor in those swing seats, the republicans will lose every single time because there s so much more motivation on the democratic side. so when you re talking about two or three points for some of these house races, the president is the last thing you want to bring in if you re the republicans. there s response from the democrats, but to further quote from this article, it says that democrats are divided in how to respond to the charge. many top officials in the capital fear it is a political trap that would distract from their core message and possibly even boomerang back to harm them in november. but other more progressive figures see impeachment as a rallying cry of their own to galvanize the left s anti-trump base. so what is the right approach here? i think the right approach is to not talk about impeachment unless you have a reason to impeach him. you know, nobody likes him. he s incompetent, and so forth. fine. that s not a reason to impeach him. when we get the majority, and we re going to get the majority, we re going to do a real investigation, not like nunes, his maven over there that does whatever he tells him. we re going to do a real investigation. unless mueller beats you to it. unless he doesn t fire mueller. there s going to be plenty of reasons to look at donald trump s ethics. they ll be looked at. i don t think anybody should prejudge that. i also think that susan is exactly right. the biggest election so far, which happened last week, was not virginia. so far the biggest surprise to me is this incredible landslide, this liberal woman from wisconsin in winning the supreme court seat. they have the misfortune of having elected judges in wisconsin. she creamed the establishment scott walker candidate. why? because it s not this is not about democrats being energized. this is about the american people being energized and sick of this crap. they re not going to vote for people who they think are corrupt. the gop is doing a pretty good job of making their brand corruption. all right, guys. i m so energized having you two here. i have another hour to go, and i m rearing to go after talking with you. thank you so much. thank you. in our next hour, john kelly chaos. a new report about the chief of staff and his oval office strife. the article prompting a response from the president on twitter this morning. truecar is great for finding new cars.
supply. what else is stop is a recently resurfaced concert venue a grateful kestrel sound isn t just down to skilled musicians acoustic technicians also play a major role. you d think they d check the acoustics by getting a musician to play an instrument think again. shots fired in dresden score two apologist a woman has loaded a gun going on stage and is firing at into the air. while a man stands by listening attentively. common and maglite lautenbacher are acoustic technicians in the last few years the call to a palace has undergone major renovations and the two were part of the project from the outset no they re testing to see if the acoustics are as good as they had hoped obviously they need an audience in its place they use specially made lengths of fabric a full concert hall sounds very different than an empty one. firing the gun allows them to measure reverberation. but why don t they just use an instrument. there are several ways of measuring reverberations what s important is to make a noise that can be easily reproduced the exact sound made by a musical instrument can t always be reproduced to report the sound a gunshot makes can be consequence and it covers the full range of frequencies and has sufficient energy especially in the lower frequencies so the volume and so on pattern of a fired hand gun is always the same. at strategic spots in the concert hall the acoustic technicians measure how long it takes for the sound of the gunshot to die what exactly is an impulse response here s a floorplan of the stage circle installs the sound made on the stage is the impulse . it reaches the audience from the stage both via a direct route. and also by reflecting off the walls. this is the rooms response to the impulse and it needs to be uniform everywhere in the room. the hall is structured like a vineyard to ensure a consistent impulse response testing every single sound frequency would be too time consuming so the acoustic technicians bundle them into what are known as one third octave bands they sound like this. a deafening roar but there s a trick to it to understand what here s a crash course in sound and acoustics. sound is a wave like vibration whether a sound as high or low depends on the frequency of the vibration frequency is measured in hertz one hertz equals one vibration percent and humans can hear a sound in the range between sixteen and twenty thousand hertz anything below sixteen hearts we call infrasound anything above twenty thousand hertz is all to a sound music is usually between fifty and eighteen thousand hertz it s impossible to individually measure the impulse response of so many sounds or frequencies that s why acoustic technicians divide them into sets encompassing eight notes. let s take this low c. for example as a starting point it has a frequency of one hundred thirty hertz. an octave higher is middle c. its frequency is exactly double that of the low c. two hundred sixty hertz after the same interval you come to the next c. which has a frequency of five hundred twenty hertz and so on the frequency doubles with every octave. the sound waves frequency can be divided into sets with the help of an octave eight notes into what are called octave bands. then divide these into a further three sets one third octave bands the signal emitted contains the full range of a one third octave band as soon as the war dies out the technicians check to see if the full range of frequencies are being reflected equally by the room to hear their actual then we have the direct sound that s the easiest and fastest route from the source to the microphone we can see a vast amount of reflection from the. ceilings and combinations of all these responses reaching the ears. that since around music. that s the sweet spot the technicians measure it in every corner of the room the acoustics are perfect. let the music began. nature can put an impressive concerts as well. for move on that she growls and songs produced by artists from the animal world just head for d w dot com slash noisy animals and of course we re also on twitter and facebook. sounds can be closely tied to remembering do you have a memory that will stay with you for the rest of your life we asked you that on facebook here s some of your responses. septa and rio remembers the first day of kindergarten he says it was the first time he recognized the importance of names and identities. cara and he remembers a much saturday the day her father passed away. never forget celebrating with his. only after graduation. and fog they go on her show the first glimpse of a soulmate was an unforgettable experience. thanks for those comments keep them coming. why are we more likely to remember scents and sounds and facts and figures it seems that the more emotional an experience is the more likely it is to end up in our long term memory. the first kiss with their first love. and aaron peter will remember this moment for their entire lives but why. do you make that plays a central role in deciding the importance of our experiences the momentous and emotional way all the morning or chemicals the region releases in the brain things like sour tone and joking me and norepinephrine and the higher the release the stronger the memory of an event. such as an hour in p.t. his first trip together to africa where they had a close call with the lion the. dramatic experiences like this send signals directly from the a mic dela to the hippocampus which appears to act as a kind of gatekeeper for long time memory it also decides what ends up in short term memory like your last order in a restaurant long time memories include things like your first major fight and other critical experiences. nerve cells in the brain still memories when stimulated these neurons fire off chemical neurotransmitters to neighboring brain cells stronger stimuli activate small cell connections memories can never be viewed as networks of large numbers of nerve cells spread throughout the brain and the active remembering is all about activating one of these networks and for instance such as the cologne worn by a rival ceuta can be enough to trigger a vivid memories. of. the network of what s called perceived your own memory still sequences of movements has become almost automatic this is what allows anna to drive a car without having to think about it and lets peter play the piano for his sweetheart off to give practice. the left side of the cerebral cortex. stalls general knowledge including speech. even though peter hails from england he can communicate easily with anna who learned english in school. what s called perceptual memory is located in the cerebral it helps you recognize patterns. allowing anna to identify an apple as an apple. and letting peter pick and his face out of the crown. the more you exercise your brain the bettin you can recall memories. that s why peter has dedicated himself to rehearsing this song with his singing group. together. but what really sticks in the memory of powerful emotional moments because peter tries so hard to please her and i remembers every new dish he s ever cooked. the birth of their first baby is another experience peter and i will no doubt always remember but what if they never have children studies show that sperm counts are falling dramatically among men in the western world it s an alarming trend with potentially catastrophic consequences. are humans a threatened species. for now our cities are densely populated but the western industrialized world is witnessing an alarming trend male fertility is in decline. guy levine is an epidemiologist who works at the hebrew university of jerusalem and the dasa medical center he s evaluated one hundred eighty international studies on sperm counts that s going to be really dug them up to we re seeing a dramatic fall in the total sperm count and the sperm concentration and men in the western world. the studies which levine evaluated work. compiled over the last four decades between one thousand nine hundred seventy three and two thousand and eleven they examine the sperm count of healthy men in europe and the us a senior position at the hebrew university s school of public health he says the decline in male fertility is alarming yet sperm counts have fallen fifty percent in forty years. a human issue these days there are many men and israel germany austria the us denmark most western countries but not only in the west who suffer from fertility problems today you will. roni coke men is a gynecologist and fertility expert at the party clinic of the dawson medical center she spent fifteen years researching the concentration and motility of sperm provided by israeli donors. her research shows a forty percent drop in sperm quality. the quality of donated sperm needs to be excellent but if this trend continues by the year twenty thirty it will have declined to such an extent that i don t know is will be in fact sile salami a profoundly worrying development. we. all know. that we must identify the causes and stop this. the israeli environment and health fund is hosting a conference in jerusalem. everyone here is permille year with the results of the guy libyans research. the. u.s. microbiologist linda barron bomb is director of the national institute of environmental health sciences in the u.s. state of north carolina she s convinced that the decline in male fertility is caused by environment. factors there is growing evidence that some of that it s that there are many chemicals in our environment which did not used to exist which do a fact are in decline systems and many of them are affecting male reproduction he told her colleague guy levine agrees with her findings. are still hold we re familiar with a few of these components but not with others and one thing became clear at this conference we can t afford to wait until we have an entire next generation suffering health issues or even worse that no next generation is no orne because of declining fertility. but what exactly are these chemicals in the environment which appear to have drastically reduced sperm counts within just two generations. no one including fertility expert roni cockman has so far found an answer but as an expert on diseases caused by environmental factors she has a few working hypotheses she suspects chemical such as valid used in plastics and other products could be to blame. so these synthetic materials plastics interfere with our chemical balance by acting like easter gentle and he engines easter jen is the primary female sex hormone androgen is the male home when i m in the sea a little didn t want to be the gov we had the table this wall the telephone it s all made of plastic plus this. when men come into contact with this stuff on a daily basis then it will have a chronic effect and it s possible that it has an effect on the quality of sperm. and then there s the matter of nutrition we don t even know what all the fruits and vegetables we consume have been treated with. in fact the presence of contaminants in food has been demonstrated six workers with the dole food company claimed they were left sterile after coming into contact with the pesticide b.c.p. used on a banana plantation in nicaragua in the one nine hundred seventy s. they went to court and last year were awarded some three million dollars in damages the case was the first of several lawsuits involving our cultural workers levine s research also shows that food treated with pesticides has an effect on the people who eat it. the point of pesticides by definition is to prevent reproduction so it s no wonder that our research in the us shows there s no adverse effect on the sperm of men who consume fruit and vegetables that have been traded. on the moon. that for now the birth rate in israel remains robust. even so researchers warn against complacency. that it might go alongside our research we need to protect the public from these chemicals chemicals we know are hazardous and should be banned and the manufacturers should be held accountable and there. is time running out for humankind while the researchers in jerusalem continue to explore the causes of the cloning sperm counts they re also pushing for legislation prohibiting industrial use of chemicals the best aside d.c.p. is now banned researchers say it s time others words to. even studies on stem counseling conducted in asia africa and south america but they appear to show that male fertility death is fairly stable. mates and makes people and animals better when they re sick right not always. overused and misused in health care and husbandry. this is led to the emergence of multi resistant bacteria. and if pathogens that i mean to therapy end up and water distribution systems it would be a major cause of concern. like other microbes antibiotic resistant bacteria are invisible that means they can easily pass unnoticed but can they survive in our water systems could they be found in tap water to answer that question we re going to take a trip into the depths. and talked to experts who know all about this mysterious world among them chemists health geographers a microbiologist they all work for a german research group known as who are and they re interested in answering the same questions as we are. where are their antibiotic resistant bacteria and pathogens. and concentrations of these bacteria in our waterways and sewer systems office and poor. let s begin with sewage that means a visit to a wastewater treatment plant. facilities like this receive wastewater from both hospitals and private households so waste created by both sick and healthy people the sewage stinks and it s pretty disgusting but apart from tampons and fecal matter does the sludge also contain antibiotic resistant bacteria from the looks of things it wouldn t be much of a surprise. first the sewage is run through clarify is which removes solid waste. these days it s standard for the sewage to go through three stages of treatment after that the water certainly looks cleaner but it s important to remember that any bacteria would remain invisible anyway the scientists take their samples back to the laboratory. here they test not for the bacteria directly but for its d.n.a. or more specifically resistance genes. each dot in the data cloud represents a resistance gene the image on the left is before treatment the one on the right after so there are still antibiotic resistant bacteria in the water. we don t yet know exactly how these bacteria behave in an outdoor environment but they do represent a potential risk to people if they come into contact with these germs and get infected. treated water is channeled into rivers and streams along with its bacteria so the microbes are released into the environment the water from the treatment works mixes with that in waterways and is diluted so what does that mean for the bacteria time to meet up with another teen from the who recover research group they regularly check germany s rivers and lakes here to they find resistant bacteria and there s a further source of risk when you are. many farm animals are also given antibiotics and excrete bacteria this is later spread on the fields as fertilizer where it seeps into the ground. earth and rock act like a natural filter for the water but do they trap all the resistant bacteria in the manure once again the scientists take samples. the further downstream they go the more residual waste they find from animals and people and that s reflected in their results. so you have a higher percentage of bacteria that are resistant to three four or more antibiotics and. a. few people in germany who drink water directly from a river but what happens to the water next first passes through dense natural substrate filters in the ground or river bank. after that it s directed on to the water works where it s once again filtered unchecked the water then flows into homes across the country having come full circle. although the water doesn t go through a sterilization process the scientists have yet to find any pathogens in german drinking water that are resistant to antibiotics. our rivers and lakes are certainly polluted with this bacteria but our purification process for drinking water is good and that largely protects us. so drinking water in germany is not contaminated with antibiotic resistant bacteria at least for now . the most is psycho depends on sun and rain the sunshine water evaporates clouds form rain fools and the earth s bodies of water and replenished the into action of sun and rain also results in one of nature s loveliest phenomena every year from india wanted to know more about rain. from surat gar wants to know. why do rainbows appear as an ark. rainbows form when the sun is shining and light reflects refracts and disperses and water droplets in the sky. water is denser than air like glass it redirects light and splits it into different frequencies raindrops act like miniature prisms all refracting sunlight light bouncing off raindrops therefore creates the rainbow one person sees but someone else will see different rays so in a way everyone perceives their own personal rainbow. double rainbows are formed by a further reflection of sunlight inside raindrops but the colors of the secondary rainbow appear to be reversed and also fainter that s because the extra reflection scatters many more of the raise. rainbows are actually full circles but appear as are expected as from the ground only their upper half is visible. another example of the phenomenon is what s called a fog because of the small size of the water droplets that cause fog fog those have very weak colors one can even appear white so they re sometimes called white rainbows. then there are upside down rainbows these result from an optical phenomenon called circumstance arc which arises from the refraction of sunlight through ice crystals rather than raindrops. and if you re very lucky one day you might catch a glimpse of a full circle rainbow from an airplane or the top of a mountain anywhere where the view isn t blocked by the horizon. if you have a science question go to our website and send it in if we answer it on the show you get our d.v.d. featuring a lighthearted look at albert einstein s most famous theories. the most important thing is to never stop asking questions. on our next show we ll head to greenland with the ice is disappearing leaving behind huge amounts of photons sludge a research project is looking for ways to profit from it so that s next week on tomorrow today see you then. cut cut cut cut cut. cut. cut. cut. cut. the other codons a significant cuts to the environment the new trend which proves islam susanto us in chile a major producer of the boom has had devastating results the reason running its uses lost amounts of water and i m not has human and environmental costs of a card in. the movie shows up in 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live with a lawyer who was arguing against this policy in court today. who will update on us whether the trump administration is complying with the judge s timetable to put these families back together again. we start tonight with fredrick vaughn stew ben. he was born in 1730 in the kingdom of presha. an air that is modern day germany. at 17 he joined the preshan army and fought in the seven years war. it was one of the most sophisticated and powerful armies in the world. he had a distinguished military career, eventually becoming a top aid to fredrick the great. he also believed to be a openly gay man. back then, being gay was a crime. in 1753 he was dismissed from the army. he was rumored he was let go because he was gay. with no job and nowhere to go, fredrick went to america. he arrived in the states in the throes of the revolutionary war in 1777. the continental army was losing. they suffered through a bit l winter at valley forge. the troops were living in filth, untrained. george washington needed someone to whip his men into shape, how to teach them how to properly fight a war. it was around that time that george washington met friedrich. he was impreesed with his military experience and strong personality. washington hired him. he was not given a military title, he was not even an american. he took the job anyway to help secure the emerging new country s independence. he train s washington army at valley forge. he taught them how to march, stay in line, reload, pitch tents, build trees and run kitchens. he did it all in broken english. american revolution who volunteered to help this country win its independence who helped tie the during war he wrote this letter to george washington, explaining why he volunteered to fight for a country that was not his own. he told washington, quote, the object of my greatest am beneficiary is to render your country all the services in my power and to deserve the title of a citizen of america by fought fighting for the cause of your liberty. in 1774 he got his wish. as a thank for his service, reward for sacrificed he made to american he became a u.s. citizen. he lived out the rest of his days in the united states. the immigrant soldier from presha who created the american professional army died at home, in new york as an citizen citizen. ever since the revolutionary war, immigrants in this country has represented a significant recruiters asking how they could be apart of the program, asking how they could serve the country and become u.s. citizens. the immigrants who enlisted through the program scored significantly higher on their entrance exams. on average they were more highly educated. they filled serious deficits in the army. doctors, dentists, speakers of language and far from corners of the world where american forces were operating. during the president s obama s tenure the program included psychologist to help with severe emotional stress experienced by soldiers in afghanistan and iraq. the policy has been bipartisan. in 2014, president obama expanded the program to allow dah california recipients to participant. one immigrant who volunteered to serve was a dentist from philadelphia named amon dylan. he was born in india and moved to the united states in 2006. he was an ivy league gradual with a postdoctoral degree. messages, e-mails, phone call and having told somehow they failed a background check. no one would tell them what the details of failure are. is there something in the background check, maybe a form they filled out that indicated maybe there s something dishonest on the forms, or is this part of winding down this mavni program, to your knowledge? what part is the department of defense decided they wanted to do extreme vetting on these troops, they winded up these background checks but had no capabilities to do this. this related to three years they face before they can participate in the military because they re basically stuck waiting while they undergo these background checks. dod last year revealed a plot to cancel all your contracts because they didn t want to spend the money doing the background checks on them. there s a public uproar about that, the background checks were cancelled. it would taken many many year before doj would be able to complete them. we re seeing a certainly surge discharges where they re being kicked out of the military without any reasons, or what they re doing wrong. one recruit continuance denty got ahold of some of the paperwork that purportedly supported the argument that he had failed his background check. the paper work indicated he hadn t really failed it. in fact the only reason they were kicking him out because he had, quote, foreign ties. these are immigrants, so they all have foreign ties. and the documents cited that he got coincidentally said he had a parent who lived in his home somebody s not qualified to enlist in the military. if a person supposedly fail a background check they tell the person. they bring them in and say, it appears you failed a background check because you did the following thing, what do you have to say for yourself. in these cases, none of these people are being told why they failed. in fact, the commanders don t know why they failed. some of the people who supposedly failed these background checks recently received a promotion. got an award, there s nothing in their background or history to indicate that they did anything wrong. suddenly, they re receiving these discharge orders and being told that they failed a background check. it s a disturbing sotory, so close to the fourth of july. thank you for being here tonight and getting us information on this. thank you very much. and i appreciate you covering the story. thank you. the trump administration, meanwhile, was back in federal court trying to get an extension their parents by tuesday. hhs cannot even locate the pattern of 38 kids. half their parents have been released to whereabouts unknown. the other half have already been deported. the trump administration today asked for more time to get the kids under 5 back to their parents. the judge said, no. he told the government to turn in the list of 101 children under 5 by tomorrow. he will take up the matter again on monday. joining us now is lee galort, a attorney for thank you very much for your time tonight. thank you for having me. i m struck by the fact that the government is now saying the process is complicated in getting these kids back together. because mr. azar, the hhs secretary was testifying a week ago at the drop of the hat he could reunite children. they do not have a system that matches parent a with child ark, if they had that system why would they need dna? right, i think what came out today was that the government does not have a proper tracking system. the judge noted that in his ruling last week, and it was just reenforced today. it s clear the government cannot match all the parents and children. so they asked for the judge to extend the deadlines, and as you said in your intro, the judge refused to generally extend the deadlines. what he did say is, if you have very specific concrete reasons why a particular family cannot be reunited by the deadline, let the plaintiffs know, let me know, because right now we re in the dark. then we ll talk in concrete terms about whether we re going to extend the deadline for particular individual families. he refused to take up the government s request to just generally extend the deadlines. it was absolutely clear in court today that the government s tracking system was not a good one, they re not sure where all the patterns are. and so what i said in arguing our side of the case was, you need to give us the information, there are thousands of volunteers who want to help. we will get down there and see all the parents, ask them what their kid is like, what the kid s name is, try and help match and do what ever we can. these kids need to be reyunifie. i think it s extraordinary to hear that the government now says they don t know where some of those patterns are. let s play hhs secretary azar. this was just last week speaking with the finance committee about what he then said that they know. there is no reason whiny parent would not know where their child is located. i could at the key strokes i sat on the orr portal with just basic key strokes, within seconds can find any child in our care for my pattern. in court today when you were there, did they essentially take that back? well, they didn t mention the secretary s comments but it was very clear they could not match all the parents and child with the stroke of a keyboard. the judge asked very pointed questions. we originally went in there to talk about all 3,000 or so kids that have been separated. that deadline is not for july 26 for kids 5 and older. the judge made the correct decision to focus the hearing today on the children under 5, so that we can fix that problem. he said i want the government to submit a list to the plaintiffs for all 500 kids, and explain to each individual kid why you cannot reunite them and if you cannot find the parent. the government did essentially admit to do, they do not have the able to track all the parents and kids and match them. we ve seen before deportation, i.c.e. is given parents who is separated from their kids a form to fill out. two options, requesting to reunite with my kids for the repatriation, meaning reunite and deport. or i m formally requesting to return to my country without any minor children. the parents who they say have already been deported, are they now saying where they deported them to or where they are? well, we will see what that list shows there. they have to give us that list by 5:00 p.m. on saturday. we ll see what the list shows. i am assuming it will at least say what country the parent went to. there s no question that those forms that they ve been distributing or misleading. what i said in court today was that we want the government to cease using that form. we want to institusubstitute in that we create that makes it clear parents are entitled to get their children back, and it s not inten gent upon theme leaving the united states. vs. ve . very quickly. the department of justice attorney mentioned she was not going to be around this weekend because she would be dog sitting. just to classirify, was there gg to be any action in court this weekend, does it make any difference this doj lawyer was in colorado dog sitting? i did not understand the judge to say he wanted us in court this weekend. in fairness to her i think she said that, it didn t mean she wasn t ready to work this weekend. the judge i think didn t want us to be in court until monday morning. right, just to clarify that. the bottom line being, you didn t walk away from that hearing confidently that the the government could reunite these kids at the stroke of a pen? we did not. we said give us as much information you have because we will help find the attorney. lee gelernt thank you for being here tonight. migration separation next, including an interview with the woman who climed the statute of lisht on the forurth of july. pressure will be with me next on set. stay tuned. so i just bundled everything with my home insurance. saved me a ton of money. -love you, gary! -you don t have to buzz in. it s not a question, gary. on march 1, 1810 [ ding ] -frédéric chopin. -collapsing in 226 [ ding ] -the colossus of rhodes. -[ sighs ] louise dustmann [ ding ] -brahms lullaby, or wiegenlied. -when will it end? 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well, rise and resist had been declining this action as far as the way we did. some people were wearing t-shirt that says abolish i.c.e. and i figured, okay i ve never been to the statue of liberty. i would love to climb up there with the sign or banner. it wasn t something i was willing to discuss with the group because i didn t want to be discouraged. you didn t want them to stop you? yes. what did you think j.w. when patricia started heading up the statue? the truth is, no one in the group realized that it was pressure when people first noticed it was up there. originally since it wasn t a plan of our action, we were like, oh, that s somebody else, that s a daredevil. we have no idea. it wasn t until some of the photographer that was with us used their zoom lenses and got a look at the person, and we were like saying, oh my god that was patricia. we issued statements saying we didn t know who it was, and then when we realized, oh my god it was patricia. the first thing was about her safety. and knowing she was a woman of color that was going to be engaged with law enforcement, we were concerned about the possibility that she may be injured when she was brought down. so, we just immediately started trying to find legal assistance for her. yeah. on that point, and of course, as woman of color engaging with law enforcement, i m glad you made that point. some of the criticisms, you endangered yourself, put police in danger. also as a woman of color you engaged activity with law enforcement that could have compounded. it wasn t worried about that, that was the first thing from my mind. my concern was for the kids. this is just cruel and inhumane. i couldn t live with that. i had to do something. what was the message that you wanted people to take away from what you were doing? that children don t belong in canaless and they needed to be immediately reunited with their families, their mom and decide. j.w., as far as the grown up is concerned, does this fit with the overall rise and resist message? is this what you want, direct action? that what we want, direct action group. that s how we were formed what we do. we were planning a specific action with the banner drop and the focus with the t-shirts. we don t plan things where people are going to be in any sort of peril or danger. but, we absolutely support patricia in cha she did. the fact is we were there to call attention to i.c.e., to call attention to how much i.c.e. is subverting and perverting all the ideals america holds dear. patricia just took it to the next level. once we realized that she was safe when she was down, and she was safe, there s nothing endangering her, all we could do is celebrate the success attention to i.c.e. and to these issues that she brought. let s talk a bit about how the trump administration s policies have hit you as an immigrant. we share something in common. i have congo roots, you are from the republic of congo. when you start hearing how donald trump talk about immigrants and referring to some countries, now the detention of children. tell me how that hit you as an immigrant? first of all, donald j. trump is a distracter and chief. no way am i going to focus my attention on him. i country he s a dog whister. he s trying to divide the country. we are a democracy, we stand for peace. the constitution protects everybody, including immigrants. there s something called a due process. he s ignorant unfortunately. i would not normalize his behavior. it s unprecedented. what is rise and resist plan? there are people who feel angry, frustrated, scared, what is the plan that rise and resist has? the plan is just to constantly call attention to the just to the sort of crimes against our very nature of more than that donald trump and his administration are committing regularly on a daily basis. it s not just it s obviously just not i.c.e., it s the customs and border patrol. i.c.e. is taking people who have been living, working, paying taxes and raising their families here for decades. and storming into they re home and removing them over poorly filled-out paper work from their immigration process. the status of your legal case, when are you expected to be in court? august 3rd. hopefully you ll update us with your legal situation. glad you made it safe to the ground. patricia okoumou and j.w. walker. thank you for joining us. late tonight, knew that is can change the trial for donald trump s campaign chairman. but i wasn t tough enough to quit on my own. not until i tried chantix. chantix, along with support, helps you quit smoking. it reduced my urge to smoke to the point that i could stop. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. some people had changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, agitation, depressed mood, or suicidal thoughts or actions with chantix. serious side effects may include seizures, new or worse heart or blood vessel problems, sleepwalking or allergic and skin reactions which can be life-threatening. stop chantix and get help right away if you have any of these. tell your healthcare provider if you ve had depression or other mental health problems. decrease alcohol use while taking chantix. use caution when driving or operating machinery. the most common side effect is nausea. my favorite role so far? 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how can you have a fair trial when the media has saturated with false statements about the evidence. the judge says, all right. so what s the remedy assuming your right. downing, well, given the conduct, one remedy is dismissal. the un, no. putting that one aside. mr. downy, i d like to stick with that one briefly. the judge, no. go on. mr. downy says, you honor, i think you kind of glossed over this issue in terms of you talking to somebody, asking them questions in vrd. i think we can do some supplemental briefs to show the judge, will you listen to what i m saying to you. what remedy would you have asked for if you re right that it s been satiating as you put it. mr. downying, it will have to be a change of venue. the judge. finally. finally. the judge gave manafort s attorney till today to file for change of venue. the defense would like to move his trial from liberal saend rea, virginia. a fair trial will be impossible without a change of venue to roe oak, virginia. let s talk about this change of venue that they d like to have. we have a map here of alex sandhya with roan oak, virginia. a pool in vaend ya went clinton is that common to try to move the trial to a more politically favorable climate? i m sure it s what every defendant who believes politics would help him or her would like to do. typically these transfers are authorized under federal rule where it would be extremely that he or she could not get a fair trial if they remain in case. you think about the big profile cases like the oklahoma city bombing, which was moved from oklahoma to denver. that s where these sorts of transfers usually take place. in this case, do you think it s likely to succeed? i think this motion has a slender chance of success. one factor here is it s not just the cities we should be looking at. juries are pulled from what s called a division inside of a judicial district. so, manafort has been inditcted in the eastern area of virginia. the same is true in r ork enok it is as a friend told me earlier, trump country. this is a thinly ziesed effort by mr. manafort to get a jury pulled more to his liking, i don t think he ll be successful. one of the other issues brought up by manafort s torn is the publicity in the case. there s been a lot to say on twitter about paul manafort. here s one sample tweet, wow, what a tough sentence for paul manafort who has representation ronald reagan. didn t know manafort was ahead of the mob. the idea that the president s tweets and that kind of publicity to adversely affect the trial, didn t we have the supreme court litigate a case where they said nothing donald trump tweets matters? they said it legally. i think what comes into play here is manafort s motion is very cavalier in terms of its willingness to believe that juries can follow the instructions they re given by judges and set aside their personal beliefs. i ll tell you after 25 years of trying cases in federal court that juries do that remarkably well. in fact in the eastern district of virginia, one of the judges was able to try one of the 9-11 cays without needing to move that heavily publicized case to another district. manafort makes this super official argument with very little law and no real reason to believe that a jury in alex sandhya can t do what s stated by the judge and make a decision based on the law. all right, joyce vance thank you for being here tonight. when you come to aunte maxine you better be ready for the backlash. more on that next. still nervous about finding a new apartment? yeah. but popping these things really helps me.relax. please don t, i m saving those for later. at least you don t have to worry about renters insurance. just go to geico.com. geico helps with renters insurance? 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first of all, it s gone up to over 500 plaque women and others and allies, men and women from all races, quite frankly. wasn t just myself, but it was a group of us who working to, civil rights and social justice issues who were outraged and very concerned when we saw congresswoman wears being attacked, and even more concerned when the leadership did not stand with her as she was speaking truth to power about what was she speaking about at the end of the day, about the 2,000, now 3,000 children who have been separated from their families. and so, we knew as black women, black women in leadership, we needed to speak up and really challenge the leadership to stand with congresswoman waters and get focused again on why she was speaking, and why she put herself out there. that s why we spoke up. and we, the producers of this show reached out to pelosi s office in a response to a question about whether or not she would apologize from congressman waters. this is what we got back. she s a valuable leader, whose call for should be heard without any threats to her safety. that s responding to some negative threatening sounding commenting about her. she fully added, donald trump has sullied the pulpit with reckless disregard for the safety of others. he should stop his attack on congresswoman waters, on all members of congress, free press and all americans who have the right and responsibility to speak their minds. does that response satisfy you? i think it was good for minority leader pelosi to make those comments. we do feel, however there needs to be more said. we have not heart from senator shumann. we also plan, joy, to engage to gop leadership, speaker speaker paul ryan, calling for her to apologize and many republicans who also calling for her to be senntured and when she s speaking to truth, taking something that she said out of context and moving away from what this was about. so we need to ask ourselves, with err going to be civil about the children being separated from their parents. and there s been a companion online open letter to nancy pelosi that s now also out there that s been signed by about 4500 people. it says when you attack a black woman for speaking about injustice and call for civility in the face of blatant racisrac you invoke white supremacist power. we hope you can learn tr this and that in the future, you stand shoulder to shoulder with her as we work together to fix what is so clearly broken in this country. it is wrapped in the roots of our story and it s toup us to remove it. the people who put this together are multiple races. it comes from people of multiple races. do you feel that the future of the resist ens is in nonviolent direct action or is it more in electoral politics or is in your view, a mix? 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Laura Ingraham shines a spotlight on everyday Americans and examines how their lives are affected by politics at the federal, state and local level. plus, first, the elite still don t get it. that is the focus of tonight s angle . over the weekend, the libertarian-leaning coke network hosted a rocky mountain retreatd political leaders. they use the occasion not to amplify and hear the president s policies, but to decry them. 82-year-old charles koch has taken the reins of the network. he released this video in advance of the retreat. now he claims opportunities in the global marketplace are creating anxiety and the loss of jobs at home. in response, we are seeing the rise in protectionists, for countries, organizations, and individuals are trying to protect themselves from these changes. they are doing whatever they can to close themselves off from the new, hold onto the past, and facilitating the outsourcing of jobs, even through really lame policies, like regulation, or through poorly negotiated trade deals. don t get me wrong. the kochs have done great work on tax reform, stuff like tea regulation, and also in the area of education. last year that, they spent $90 million in university programs, and they are committed to expanding their support for k-12 education. i have a question for you. how effective other education efforts be if americans enter a world where china dominates most major industries? including the areas of stem, science, technology, so forth, including things like artificial intelligence. we can t just look the other way while china and a lot of other countries, by the way, gained the global trading system and rack up huge trade surpluses. i.t., stem, , on her subsidies, and so forth. any fair-minded person, would have to agree with her at the white house economic advisor larry kudlow, a free trader himself, set over the weekend. people will say, well, trump s tariffs are damaging this, that, and the other thing. i say, don t blame president trump. he inherited a completely broken world trading system, including a wto, most particularly china, but not only china. okay? is trying to fix that. laura: remember the kochs a part of the job and sovereignty killing trans-pacific partnership, and then after agreement. bush, obama, and until the campaign, at least, hillary champion. the koch network, like the rest of the g.o.p. old guard, is positively furious with trump s use of tariffs to level the playing field. in fact, they announced last month that they have committed to a multimillion dollar, multiyear campaign to oppose what trump is doing on trade. i have a question, though. why would they want to lock us into these never ending trade deficits when the president s efforts so far are actually bearing fruit? we saw what happened with the e.u. last week. south korea already renegotiated their deal. and watch what happens in the next few weeks with both mexico and china. it s going to be really good. meanwhile, american workers, and even farmers, some have been caught in the cross fire of trump s tough trade battle with china. but they are standing by the president. why? well, they like that he is fighting for them even if it hurts their interest in the short term. i am a good american. i believe that we all have to have two toe the line. you are okay with bearing the brunt of these tariffs? am i willing to take my lumps for the benefit of the entire country? yes, i personally am. you are willing to weather the storm for a certain amount of time? but how long is too long? this cottage and recess come to the death. laura: oh, scottish and him. i love that. don t you want that kind of deep sense of patriotism? they want to make money obviously but they are also deeply patriotic americans and they are willing to take that hit. i think the kochs can learn a lot from those regular americans, what they said. i love it takes. trump s immigration plan, by the way, also displeases the old guard of the g.o.p., the big republican donor class. why are they so fixated on that? because they love the flood of cheap labor into our market. but trump sees the border and enforcement and the whole deal and i were southwest border very differently, and he articulated it today. our countries have learned through hard experience that border security is national security. they are one and the same. laura: arguments of national security and culture are totally lost on the billionaire set. but for most americans, these are major concerns. now the koch network is taking it a step further. they are now going so far as to financially punish of some politicians who are supportive of the president s agenda. they announced today that they will not be supporting g.o.p. s north dakota senate candidate, kevin kramer, trying to unseat democrat heidi heitkamp. what is the koch reason for that? well, the republican candidate supported trump on both trade and immigration. at that confab i was mentioning earlier and colorado, charles koch made a big deal about unie previously divided. what does that mean? how are these latest retaliatory efforts actually doing that? trump is the one uniting people, for all the talk of divisiveness, trump enjoys an 88% approval rating among republicans, according to the wall street journal, nbc poll. only george w. bush in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 saw support like that. but the koch network and others talk a good game about unity, embracing change, seizing opportunities. but when the president comes along who is actually embracing a new path, something different, on behalf of the american people, let s try a new thing now, the kochs and the globalists just have their blinders on. they won t have any of it. i had to laugh when, in a future on the koch retreat, it said the following, democrats who attacked the koch brothers in recent years, controlled that, at least in the area of trump, the billionaire industrialist, are no longer the left s number one enemy. [laughs] yeah, that s funny how that works. that is because republicans lack the leader for so many years that the kochs were the only game in town. but now, the left has a new enemy. it is trump. and they are resisting him at every turn. sadly, the kochs are too often joining in their ranks. like the bushes, the koch brothers did not support donald trump in 2016. think about that. but they have certainly reaped the benefits of trump s thriving economy. are they prepared to take their profits that they made over the last two years and donated to elizabeth warren because that will be good for their business? you think they will give them a better deal on the things they believe in, tax reform, regulation, so forth? what a pity. if the seas kochs and their well-heeled donors miss the opportunity to support the president and be a part of the america first unity that people believe in. and that is the angle. joining us now the reaction, the washington examiner s byron york. democrat and radio talk show host brett han and monica crowley come out of the london center for. great to see all of you. monica, the koch brothers have done a lot of good things, no doubt about it. but it is wild to hear them rail on about trump s use of a tool that bush used, obama used, reagan used, and is one of the classic tools of our economic negotiation throughout american history. yes, this is yet another example of the empire striking back against donald trump. trump ran on this premise that he was going to come in and smash the corrupt existing order, the corrupt status quo. that meant the elite ruling class on both sides of the aisle, the media, and the networks like the kochs, who are so deeply invested in the globalist agenda. he promised that he was going to smash all of that and actually represent the american worker, the american taxpayer, and americans economic interests. the reason we have donald trump, among many reasons, laura, is because he went out into the heartland and he said, you know what? icu, i hear you, and i will be your champion. now after just a year and a half and the presidency, he has delivered on this economic poli. and therefore, he represents an existential threat to the kochs, to the left, to the right, deeply invested in a cheap labor laura: they agree on the lot of the big issues. we ve made that point before. chris hahn, as of the case, the enemy of my enemy is my friend? if i can go back byron has written about this if you can put a loop together about what the democrats had about the kochs of the years, now suddenly they are again for trump is doing in ontario s, and the new york times is saying, oh, maybe it s time to take a second look at the koch brothers. i find that hilarious. go ahead. i don t have enemies, and i don t think people should have a enemies and domestic apollo disease, you have opponents laura: you know what i mean. we are having fun here. i know what you meant. [laughs] but on the kochs, i was listening to my good friend, monica, just now, talking about the kochs, i say they are consistent. they were never for trade barriers. they would never stand for the $15 billion bailout for the farmers in the midwest of the president is doing, something that monica would have called socialism had obama done it during his term. the kochs are consistent and they are consistent in their message. i don t trust that they will support liberals. they haven t said that they will support democrats. they said they will stay out of heidi heitkamp s race. they didn t say they would give her money. they will still spend about $400 million on the midterms to try to elect republicans and conservatives who agree with their viewpoint. they are still going to be active laura: but what we are saying, no one is saying they are not consistent. what we are saying is, their time has come and gone. they have a lot of dough, they done some good, philanthropy they have done. but the era of endless wars, byron, and these global trade agreements, where america really can t get satisfaction, frankly, what elizabeth warren and bernie sanders have talked about at different times, they talked about these unfair trading regimes that benefit their well-heeled people, those days are over and the republican party. there is no constituency for it, why we have an 88% approval rating for donald trump. byron? donald trump a candidate in 2016 really did blow up republican orthodoxy and some very, very key ways. trade was one of those ways. immigration actually was another. the kochs have had a complicated relationship with that because if you asked them last year, they were absolutely delighted with all of the deregulation that has been taking place under the president, happy with the tax cuts, too. now very unhappy with trade and with immigration. i think a lot of republicans are really going to part with them on this north dakota thing. for example, the kochs are now spending about a million dollars to support the confirmation of brett kavanaugh to the supreme court. republicans partisans would say, if you don t support republicans to the senate, there is not going to be another trump nominee to the supreme court. well laura: that s why it s important to support the challenger to heidi heitkamp. monica, there s a big talk about a potential shutdown now. you know, with a border wall. trump said i want to the omnibus spending bill again. let s watch it with the president said today about this. we need border security. border security includes the wall. but it includes many other things. we have to end the lottery. we have to end the chain. the chain is like a disaster. you bring one person and, you end up with 32 people. the whole thing is a ridiculous. we have to change our laws, and we do that through congress. i would certainly be willing to close it down, to get it done. laura: the democrats are already going insane about this. again, old guard republicans, this will blow the midterm election cycle. what are your thoughts? i think they are afraid that donald trump means it. and you know what? he does. this is a man who relishes everything go fight and when he says i m willing to shut down the government unless they get real money to start is border wall, they know that he means it. so republicans and democrats i like are really afraid of this. look, of the many reasons donald trump got elected in 2016, the primary one was illegal immigration, building the wall, and all of these issues. ending chain migration, the visa lottery laura: they ve done nothing! and he knows, in order to browse the states going into the midterms, he needs to stick by this premise and shut down the government. laura: chuck schumer had no problem shutting down the government when trump was putting the pressure on with the daca kids, and he wanted to give amnesty, and he was fine with shutting down the government. he tried to pass it off on trump. it wasn t trump. it was the democrats. now trump says, i m not doing the omnibus thing. you should never have signed that other omnibus. he should have vetoed that back then and he wouldn t be in a situation now. but do you think the democrats are hoping for a shutdown? no. i don t think we are because we don t want to see people hurt by that. i don t understand how mick mulvaney still has a job at the president was so upset with the budget that mick mulvaney wrote with congress that the president signed. i would say that s for the president. if he doesn t get his wall before the congress leaves, he won t get this wall because the best-case scenario for him is that the republicans have a smaller majority than they have now. they are more than likely going to be the minority in the house of representatives. the president knows that brady is going backwards. i get the strategy on his part because look, november is lost no matter what, so the president might as well go all and come up with his chips on the table come and see what he gets out of it because the presidents are taking the housee the senate, and then there will never be a wall. if he doesn t get the wall, he might not get reelected. it s a real issue for him right now. laura: you are predicting a lot of things there. you will hit mega millions. come on. [laughs] byron please. i d have a better backdrop. laura: the house of representatives might go democrats. this is the shot for the border wall. i think chris is right. you don t get this money now, i don t think you will get it at all. mitch mitch mcconnell was asked about this over the weekend and once again it is kick the can down the road, mcconnell, on this issue. let s watch. is the funding of the border wall going to wait until after the midterm election? probably. that is something we do have a disagreement on. homeland security won t get funded before the midterms? probably not. you are not worried about a government shutdown? that s not going to happen. laura: [laughs] i kind of like that. byron, this is what they set last year. remember, last year, oh, we will wait until next term. next term rolled around, and the republicans, they just don t want this wall. let s face it. the g.o.p. does not want this wall. you got to remember, this was the president premier campaign promise. i went to a lot of trump rallies, covered a lot of trump rallies. this is what he said in every single one of them. if he doesn t deliver on it, that he has not delivered on his biggest campaign promise. i agree that, obviously, if the house goes democratic in november, just not going to happen. i think the president has not been focused enough on getting this. he has used other factors, like a chain migration or the visa lottery, thrown those into the banks, when perhaps the street wall for daca deal could have been done. but if it doesn t happen now, very, very good chance it s never going to happen. you have to remember, think about the secure fence act of, what was it, 2006? laura: yeah. congress, by big majorities, passed a rule to install aaa or fencing, really serious laura: democrats were all for it. along large parts of the border, both parties, but it was never done because it was controlled by republicans and democrats never wanted to do it. he had to deal he had to the daca for the wall deal. that is what you call those schumer shutdown happen. that was the trump shutdown because he called the dash pulled the deal out. laura: no, he didn t. he want to do. laura: no, he didn t. he had that deal and he was talked out of it. laura: chris, he doubled the number of people who will get amnesty, he wanted the end of the perverted system of chain migration, which has tripled the number of immigrants coming in every three years. it s ridiculous. that is what he wanted, and he wanted the end of visa lottery. that made sense. he was going to give a doubling of the people got amnesty. he didn t pull anything. he sweetened the deal, frankly. he change the deal. laura: it was what he campaigned on, and the democrats did not want to give him a victory. guys, we are out of time. i wanted to get tomorrow but we don t have time. fantastic segment. thank you so much. by the way, rudy giuliani, boy, he launched a media blitz to take out mueller. you check that out? michael cohen. what does it mean? that shut down over the russia probe. next. including nasal congestion, which most pills don t. it helps block six key inflammatory substances. most pills block one. flonase sensimist. most pills block one. chicken! that s right, chicken?! candace new chicken creations from starkist. buffalo style chicken in a pouch bold choice, charlie! just tear, eat. mmmmm. and go! try all of my chicken creations! chicken! trump tower meeting with russian nationals. there was another meeting that has been leaked, but hasn t been public yet. there was a meeting, an alleged meeting, three days before. according to cohen or according to the leak, may be koch withdrew this, i don t know, he said it was a meeting with donald, jr., jared kushner, with paul manafort, with gates and possibly to others, and which they come out of the presence o, discussed the meeting with the russians. we checked with their lawyers. that meeting never, ever took place. it didn t happen. it s a figment of his imagination or he s lying. laura: what to make of that? here to discuss, john solomon, pinion contributor at the hill. in general charles mccalla, a former inspector general who was targeted in the past four is passed into hillary clinton s email server. gentlemen, good to see both of you. john, you ve been a lot of reporting on this. have to get you on this first. rudy was all over the place over the weekend. and that little exchange on premeeting, saying, picked up everybody s ears. what do we know about that? i did a lot of reporting a year ago when the story first broke on this meeting. if bob mueller was still interested in that meeting right now, seriously interested in it, cohen s case would not be sitting in a southern district of new york. it would be sitting in the prosecutor s office. i think there s a lot of hot air on this particular focus that doesn t actually amount too much. there is just not any evidence that mueller has been that interested in it for some. lack of time. meanwhile, a lot of things i will say this, there is no tweet for the president could issue, there is no defense that has lawyers can put out there, there is no bar that any politician can put out there that will change more the course of the russia investigation then if the president were to be classified, the remaining parts of the fisa memo. this is where the story lies. when that is released, i think the american public will learn a lot about the flaws in the investigation, the circular intelligence reporting that occurred, and whether there is any evidence of collusion, which i don t believe there is based on my reporting. also i think we will learn there was other tactics, other ways of gathering information about the president, that have not yet been revealed. when they are revealed, they will be very troubling to the american public. laura: sound like they are doing prereporting. looking forward to reading your piece. charles, you get the sense that this is coming to a head here, both with whether the president will testify and the intensity of giuliani s comments about mueller and cohen. we ll get to your experience with the hillary email investigation, what happened to you as inspector general. what was your take on how long this drags on for and where we are today with this mueller probe? we ve gone on for well over a year. there is nothing wrong with the administration putting a hard deadline on this. they shouldn t interview with the investigation. investigators get to do what they do. but there is certainly nothing wrong, these things can t go on forever. they are stressful for everyone involved. you have numerous people having to expend great amounts of money for legal fees. so they should put a hard deadline on this and stick to it. laura: again, we have a scenario here, where bob mueller puts on its investigation, not as an independent counsel, but special prosecutor. there is a fight going on now about whether the president is going to testify. clearly, from the beginning, the president was like, oh, i ll testify. but you run these investigations, you know, sending your client in to testify in this open-ended fashion would be nightmarish. i think it would be terrible for the administration. john, do you get any sense that we are going anywhere except a federal court, and probably all the way to the supreme court, to decide whether the president is going to be compelled to answer mueller s questions? you know, the special counsel mueller could have issued that subpoena a long time ago. it s been clear this has not been moving in any direction what was going to come to a resolution. a lot of conversation, no resolution. if you wanted to make it happen, he could have issue that subpoena a while ago. my gut tells me that they know what they need to know about the president, they know enough to write whatever report they want to write and pursue whatever prosecution they will pursue. i don t get a sense of a major constitutional crisis on the horizon. i could be wrong. he would ve issued that subpoena it a while ago if he had so chosen. laura: charles, i want to get your thoughts on about nine months ago or so, you revealed to catherine herridge that you were targeted by hillary s allies for blowing the whistle on her illegal server. now the president is marked for continuing to bring this up, it sticks in his craw, and in the craw of a lot of us. you said that the november, sources and methods, lives and operations, were all at risk. go into more of that if you could. it sticks in my car, too. we started this whole thing. we ended up referring edge of the fbi. but yeah, there were a lot of classified documents, highly classified documents, that were among this cache of documents that were on a private server. and there were open threats made to my folks who are looking into this, and to me, it is well documented at this point. it hit me the other day when there was this conversation about whether jim clapper should lose his clearance or director of brennan, and i don t think anybody can answer right now whether or not hillary is still cleared. i m thinking she s probably still cleared at this point. that is probably part of that whole security clearance discussion. laura: talked about the other players, charles? sara miles, huma abedin laura: do they have clearance and still? i defy anyone to get a straight answer on whether any of them are still cleared. my sense is they probably are. i certainly would have hurt if they weren t. we would have offered if they weren t by now. this dative are our in her was best to look up at some time ago and i ve never heard anything a. laura: we have a lot more to get into. charles, you ll stay with us. we have a shocking investigation into how the tsa may be spying on you as you check in for your flight. this is a mind-blowing report. every american has to see this. coming up next. ba® reason. now i m doing more to lower my a1c. i take tresiba® once a day. tresiba® controls blood sugar for 24 hours for powerful a1c reduction. 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(vo) ask your health care provider about tresiba®. covered by most commercial health insurance and medicare part d plans. laura: the tsa is tracking american citizens on flights without their knowing it. even if they have not been suspected of any crime or if they are under investigation at all. the boston globe reporting that this previously undisclosed program known as quiet skies what the heck? this program is generating significant criticism from within the tsa. here was also discussed as boston globe reporter who broke. we are also rejoined by former inspector general of the intelligence community during the obama years, chuck mccullough. a wild thing. first of all, john, great story on this. incredible reporting. quiet skies. it sounds so placid and lovely. but what is this deal? it seems to me that none of this know about it. i ve never heard congress talk about it. does that work? how should we be tracked? here is what we know. we know that thousands of ordinary american to americans who are suspected of no crime, and warranty on any watch list, are being followed by teams of armed undercover air marshals on domestic flights throughout the united states. when we reported the story on sunday, there has been a bit of outrage, i suppose, and at least four committees on the hill have demanded answers from tsa. tsa will be briefing for coke committees at least earlier this week. laura: you did great reporting, enough to get everyone s attention. big piece came out an hour ago, i know you saw it, it is your piece, lawmakers demand answers on quiet skies, surveillance program, after the globe report. they re going nuts over it, as they should. here s a behavior checklist, chalk, i read this tracklist anw this morning to new york. a kind of i experienced all of these things, or at least observed them. excessive fidgeting. strong body odor. cold penetrating stare. that is a lady who wouldn t help with the overhead. wide open staring eyes. exaggerated emotions. and facial flushing. that is just to name a few. [laughs] what is this, chuck, go ahead. we ve been running around for years telling people, if you cease and become a say something. laura: or smell something apparently. or if you smell something or somebody s got a stare. look, those items came from some study somewhere but the government i m sure he paid for. but i am glad that the tsa is doing this. this is why we pay the air marshals. but we have been telling people to do this for regular citizens, if you cease and become as a something. and yet we have 1811 1811 law enforcement officers who are on the plane that they are not following people home. as long as they are on laura: what are they doing? that is what i want to do. are they keeping a database of people s names, observations about them? of these people have done nothing wrong, american citizens, and have done nothing wrong it goes into a room, changes, two, three, four times laura: may be an adult diaper. maybe you are called on a plane. it s irregular, and someone should knowledge that somewhere. if they don t noted and something happens, then guess w? they get blamed for it. laura: go ahead, jana. chuck is really smart but i m surprised. go ahead, jana braids because the reason why the story is often the reason why i know anything about this to begin with is because the air marshals who are literally working theses not the best use of taxpayer money, and this is leaving us vulnerable, as a country, and on aircraft, because we are diverting our resources to follow people who are not suspected of anything. laura: this was started in 2010. everyone should know. this has been going on for eight years. i hope the inspector general of homeland security, if we even have one. do we have one, by the way, chuck? i think there is an acting over there. laura: okay. he gets to examine maybe it works, maybe it doesn t. there are going to be individual conduct, but if they have guidelines, and guidelines can be enforced, you will have problems case-by-case. we have been telling people for years, if you see something, say something. laura: this is people, this is the government. we have a constitution. would you not want them to say something if they see something? laura: we are talking about databases. go ahead, jana. one, this is not see something, say something. these are trained law enforcement officers who take it very seriously, to become whistle-blowers. this is not, as you know, this is not a decision made lightly to come forward about this program. they truly feel that we are putting the country addressed by following people when there is no reason to be doing so. collecting vast, minute-by-minute information from the moment they are spotted and identified from the gate at the departure airport up to taking note of the license plate of the vehicle that picks him up in the arrival city. everyone i talk to, every type of phone, every phone conversation, are they on a computer, are they sleeping? this is a lot more then see something, say something. this is not that. this is above and beyond and these are ordinary americans. i m glad they are doing it and i hope they keep doing it because that is what we pay them to do. laura: john, i don t i mean, chuck, i don t pay them to be keeping the tabs on grandma who happens to have facial flushing and face touching. they are real threats in the air marshals would like to cover them. looking for irregularities, i m sure that love came from somewhere, you can enforce controls laura: wait a second. spittle that is not the best defense. laura: chuck, you come as inspector general of the intel committee, so all this irregulag government. use of regularity and frankly stuff that was happening that could have her to national security. so use our people with good intentions go totally awry, correct? this is different. we are not leaving the airport, my understanding is. these are people and planes and in the airport who are doing things like ducking into a bathroom and changing for your four times in a very short. lack of time. that s weird. that is irregular behavior. that is not with this program is doing, though! respectively. laura: let me say, one of the other things on the checklist, by the way, the tsa has an $800 million budget. that is all i ll say. gripping there is less than 3,000 flying air marshals. there is more than 40,000 domestic flights a day. if you are following people who are not suspected of any crime laura: we don t want to do what israel does because that offends people. maybe that is why we are doing it. we don t have enough people to be doing it. this is what the air marshals are saying. this has been going on for eight years. laura: guys, guys. come on. i want to add another piece of data here. we will get more answers on this, i hope, this week, that is because it jana did the reporting and i m happy we are having this conversation. maybe some good can come of it but right now, here are some of the other things. rapid eye blinking. adam s apple jumps. i guess that is when you swallow. and gripping or white knuckling bags. i like to knuckled my bags in minnesota today because i was i mean, some of these things are ridiculous. may be no one noticed. laura: maybe i m being observed. that is a copper hands of list, okay. my guess is those are a few items out of a much longer list. i would want context. i can give you that context. laura: jana, keep on the story. we got to keep reporting this story. thank you for being with us. chuck, and valuable analysis from you. we will have you back. we haven t gotten to the hillary email questions. we need a three hour show. the case of a florida police officer shot by a haitian immigrant takes a tragic turn. stay with us. if yor crohn s symptoms are holding you back, and your current treatment hasn t worked well enough, it may be time for a change. ask your doctor about entyvio, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohn s. entyvio works at the site of 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years old. he managed to escape conviction in the past but now i.c.e. has filed an immigration detainer hold on him. inexplicably, the city of philadelphia just announced that they will no longer grant i.c.e. access to a rest databases the one wisner desmaret was actually discovered on. here to debate this is a former i.c.e. special agent in charge of l.a. and immigration attorney alan orr. we were so worried about officer jobbers miller over the weekend, because he was in intensive care, we thought he might be improving. that came across my phone over the weekend. your heart sinks. as it does for anyone gunned down in the united states. tragic loss for his family and the community, the police turned out to honor him of the weekend. but claude, let s start with you here. people say, immigration, as his own issue. don t conflate the issues of illegal immigration are people who overstay a visa with a case that is horrible and tragic as this because police officers are shocked by american citizens, too. yeah, sure. look, i have been to far too many police officers at funerals than i would like to have atten. several who have been killed by people who are here illegally in the united states. and we have enough criminals and cop killers of our own. we certainly don t need to import any from elsewhere. the fact is, if mr. wisner desmaret had been ripped from the country he was here illegally the police officer would be alive. laura: allen or? condolences to the family and community for losing an officer. i bank him for his service. the issue tonight, it s not clear from the court filings that this individual is undocumented or illegal, they are probably an immigrant with a green card that is deportable. i haven t seen that in the facts. if you read the case hearing today, from his statements, it s clear that this person might have mental deficiencies, as he assumed that everyone was after him. the thing i wanted to say tonight is that the issue in this case is not as immigration status but crime in the united states. when we look at the failure of immigration, it is not at this individual immigrant, we should be looking at congress, for they haven t done. laura: right now we find ourselves in a situation where people are still allowed to walk across our southwest border where there is no fence or a fence that is have torn down or you can hop over easily, swim the rio grande, and i.c.e. the border patrol, excuse me, has stopped ms-13 gang members, just last week with the week before, stopped known gang members, who have actually been deported out of the country and stopped on their way back in. there clearly is an effort by the cartels, by human traffickers, to bring people into the country, both illegally obviously, and also to help gang activity in the united states, to grow the gang ranks, to replenish gang ranks, that is just a fact. while of course americans commit crimes everyday, we know that, i think we don t want more crime in the united states. we don t want more problems in our cities. we have kids that need help. we have allegory who need help. we have officers who are stretched with budgets who are stretched. we don t need any more problems. claude, right now, we have philadelphia, brotherly love city, you know, they are not going to be part of the database anymore. what could that do to hamper the apprehension and understanding of the people we are arresting for these crimes? real quickly, i would just like to say, in wisner desmaret s case, he came here as a visitor. the family applied for asylum, the information i have, it was denied. they were approached in removal proceedings, he was ordered deported. but then, out of the generosity of this country after the earthquake in haiti, they were granted temporary protected status. to show gratitude, he killed one of our heroes in blue. his status had ended so he should have been removed from the country. laura: had he been removed, we have an officer who is alive today. exactly. laura: let s get to the philadelphia story. the philadelphia story, yet another example of sanctuary city policies going to affect. how this helps the people of philadelphia is beyond me. claude, quickly come with an allen gets the last word. it doesn t help the people of philadelphia, this is just the city of philadelphia doubling down. first they are harboring people here illegally by refusing to cooperate with i.c.e. and then now they are refusing i.c.e. access to the records, so the people they release from jail, i.c.e. can t track down using that information. i believe i.c.e. should just issue subpoenas and then when they refuse the subpoenas, they should initiate a criminal investigation, and u.s. attorney for the eastern district of pennsylvania should convene a grand jury. laura: allen, the mayor of philly was the same one who literally did a snoopy dance when he found out the judge ruled that they could to the sanctuary city policy. as a practical matter, how does this happen keep the citizens a safe? i will move to my conservative side. these are local people. the mayor was saying they did not want to be rapid enforcement. the problem was, not only was it criminals, but it was also witnesses and other individuals related to crimes, and the problem was, i.c.e. was spending too much i m rounding on the low-hanging fruit rather than focusing on people who really are a danger to the community. that is a problem in immigration right now. we are not trying to sort people out, we are just saying, every immigrant is a problem and we need to focus on that and that is not leading to security. we need to recognize that we want to deport 1,200,000,000 people. we don t have the money but for it. laura: 12 million. 1,200,000,000, will probably there soon. great segment, guys. thank you so much. the gap between the elites and everyday americans is widening. ben shapiro on what that means for the country next. are you ready to take your wifi to the next 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elites anomalies, it is the elitists and no one else. people think that the jobs being lost of the new york daily news is a national tragedy but jobs being lost in the steel belt is perfectly fine president trump does better than any other politician on the american scene, he conveys that he cares about people that are in these industries, pe that are doing the so called dirty jobs that people on the coast tend to think on the illegal immigrants are willing to do. laura: i did my angle on the koch brothers who have done a lot of things on tax reform and supporting brett kavanaugh and deregulation. they ve done good stuff on that. but they are just adamant that even discussing tariffs is going to creator the global economy, it is going to be terrible. 60,000, 65,000 workers overseas. they have 60,000 in the united states, lot overseas. they are the older republican guard, and they don t like this. they will start finding some democrats because they want to fight that trump approach to trade. i think obviously funding democrats is not the answer. i m a free trader and i m not fond a pair of policy. the real key here, less policy driven then it is cultural. the president has a lot of sympathy for people who are in these industries that have paid a price due to trade. there is no question that there are winners and losers in trade. overall, i think is a great thing for the united states. free-trade is a great thing. but to pretend there are no downsides to trade is not telling the whole truth. laura: again, the results of the election in those rust belt states, they suffered a great job losses over the last 20 years, china being in the wto, all these neocon hawks who all they did was tell us, we got to both of the military, that is great. i agree. but china is the big write to america s dominance, militarilyd economically. if we grow their economy at the expense of our own, we will be untroubled on the road. i also want to get some thoughts from you on something that is the opposite of what the chicago sun-times columnist road. this was a piece published this morning imagining the day after trump s reelection loss in 2020. here it is. as trump seeds and tweets and defeat late tuesday, president-elect elizabeth warren celebrated, the ark of the trump story is starting to make more sense than it has for much of his chaotic presidency. the normal rules of politics do apply to donald trump after all. so now the time was up for trump. they are already imagining his loss, which tells you, welcome of the derangement syndrome, whatever you want to call it, that cliche is wearing thin, they are not having to write about 2020 in 2018. they are desperate to take on president trump right now. they are hoping obviously that 2016 was an outlier and they will blame it on anything. hillary clinton being a bad candidate finally or russian collusion, which they have yet to prove. they want to acknowledge there is a stomach problem inside the democratic party and screaming medicare for all in running hillary clinton clone like elizabeth warren is not going to fix a giant gap that they have with them at all the country who may still consider a bunch of better cleaners working jobs they would never deign to get their hands dirty doing. i am a guy who was from the coast. i m from l.a. i spent some time in cambridge, massachusetts. i am an elite, by any of these standards. but the bottom line is, the people in bootable country are doing work that is as important or more importantly the people on the coast, who are sitting in their coffee houses writing scripts. laura: you are not that i lead. just because you go to those nice institutions, if you understand the plight of the regular working person, and you think that they have a role in our economy, you are not an elite. i m an elite but not trump made this distinction at a rally. he said, the people in this audience are elites but you are good at your job, if you work hard, and united states, you 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how they will be making moves against the right wing representation there. good day. we re going to start with new reaction from omarosa about the explosive claims making where the president uses the n word. here is what he told my colleague in an exclusive interview on meet the press. after i closed book, i had an opportunity to go out in los angeles and sit down with the person who actually has a copy of the tape. i heard his voice as clear as you i are sitting here. you have heard the tape? i have heard the tape. since publication of this book? yes. when he talks this way, it confirm he s truly a racist. omarosa talking about timing then you can go on without any type of difficulty in the future relative to your reputation. it s very, very important, i think, you understand there s some serious legal issues that have been violated. as you re open to some legal action that we hope, i think, we can control right? so with that, if you would stay here with these general me, they ll lay this out. can i ask you a couple of questions? is the president aware of this? this is a nonnegotiable discussion. the reporting is that discussion happened in the situation room. here is what omarosa told chuck todd when he pressed her about making that recording. i protected myself fwhathis white house where everybody lies. the president lies. sarah hauckabee lies. you ll see 17 knives in your books. if i didn t have this recording, people would still think that i was trying to set off alarms. yes, i had to protect myself and i have no regret about it. new reaction to the white house by the white house of allegations of the president s racial slurs. kelly, what can you tell us? reporter: the president has referred to his one time reality show cast mate and a person he helped make him a star. the now the president is referring to her as a low life in the reaction to the book. also the recording that you just played excerpts of and her device, sean spicer believes that recording of the clehief o staff and others is a national notion she heard this type of the president using the n word made during the production of the apprentice. that interview challenged her about this and she said it s many my book. have you not read my book. today with chuck todd she said she heard the tape after the book had gone to her publisher. she makes a distinction here and this is a contradiction within a merit of days about a central theme in her book. was there audio evidence that the president used this slur and had she actually heard it. in the book she writes she was told about it from her sources associated with the apprentice production time years ago ashnd now she is saying she heard the tape. it s a credibility test for a number of people in this drama. richard. so well put there for us. thanks for kicking us off again. thank you. credibility. what s your take away. as you know, omarosa really coming after the president saying he s mentally declined, her words. as well as saying he s racist among many things. i think, first of all, we don t need omarosa s book to decide whether he s racist. he s been in off for a couple of years and had a long campaign. he s said a lot of things that offended a lot of people. he called neo nazis fine people. i think the question brings up is about trump s credibility. there s nobody besides ivanka trump who has worked closely with him. she had a top position. she was in the situation room. if she s a low life, if she s crazy, if she s unhinged why was she given such a high up position in the administration? how damaging is this for the white house and what do you expect to hear in the coming hours and days, if at all? we re already hearing from the white house. that s an indication that there s damage or at least concern about damage. the president is racing out to talk about it. so is one of his top spokeswomen. i think they are taking it seriously and they should. not because of the specific charges but something that goes deeper. this president came into office and put people into positions who should never have been in those positions. people who he had known through his business, his real tv background but whose qualifications to fill top roles in government is dubious at best. it s blowing up on him now. we should be taking a serious look at john kelly here. the fact of the matter is that john kelly should be managing situations like this much better. if, in fact, people were sneaking tape recording devices into the situation room or other places in the white house and taping him when he s firing them, that s something that calls into question kelly s management of the white house at this point. laura bill ebuild on what jo saying. this has not been seen before. in the situation room, you have the chief of staff, a recording made and it appears that general kelly did not know that it was happening at that time. the legal ramifications, the security ramifications that might be discussed here. it s unbelievable that a woman was able to record her own fire ing in the situation room. how did that happen? that s an incredible breach of security. i think this white house is bizarre. there s been nothing like it before. i know people from previous white houses have said we never had to sign non-disclosure agreements. what is that about? i think it s a huge red flag if you have a white house that is trying to silence employees. employees are getting fired left and right. they are foreign agents. they were lying. they come out and write horrible books about the president. whether the books are true or not. i think a lot of people who voted president trump into office knew he didn t have a ton of policy experience or knowledge but thought he was an excellent businessman and that he would have really good wisdom in terms of hiring people and who to surround himself with. that s what he s proven to be the absolute worst at. i wonder whether his supporter can continue to stand by him and root for him knowing what they hired him for, he hasn t been able to do. john, laura was really inpointing that. what are the mechanisms the look at how this happened? i am sure they are rushing to figure out how this happened. this is a massive embarrassment. kelly is the guy who was brought in who was supposed to get things under control. he s@guy who was at homeland security. who has a long and distinguished military career. if there was anyone who should have been on top of situation like this, it s him. he wasn t. the fact of the matter is that if you except half of what omarosa says that the president isn t that good at what he s doing, he s bumbling, whatever. then you say who is there to kind of keep things functioning? it ought to be john kelly. now we have john kelly in middle of a mess. with all due respect, no matter what your partisanship, ideology, this white house is not functioning well. what omarosa s book and these interviews reveal is that dysfunction. we ought to be focused mostly on that. what else she says about him, that will be debated a great deal in coming days and weeks. tapes and what tapes were heard and which were not. at the core of it is the revelation of dysfunction. thank you both. have a good sunday. today is the one year mark of the charlottesville rally that left one person dead. in one hour a white supremacist rally will be leheld in counter the timers as well. you were saying last hour the energy was growing. there were many from different parties and different places. reporter: that s right. you mentioned this is the anniversary. one year ago today the mark in charlottes which i wiville that the murder of heather heyer. she is top of mind. you have communist calling for violent overthrow of the government. we have folks calling for the jet stream of trump-presence to go. you see the green flags of the antifa movement. here is another sign saying america was never great. a lot of this is sure to fuel people on the right who look down or disapprove of what they will see here. these folks are united. they are united against the march. the unite right march which they regard as a white supremacist march. they want to avoid the confrontations last year. they think it s a loser for them. the counter protesters as well as the protesters today, tha thank you so much. jeff bennett is in foggy bottom where white supreissu supremacie marching. we expect these unite the right white nationalists protesters to arrive. their plan is to march from here over to the white house which is in the shadow of the white house. that s about a mile away. when they get off the train, they will be greeted by a hundred or so chalk messages left by counter protesters. there s a message that says love, not hate. there s another quote over here from malcolm x. you see a message that says be nice. the world is cruel enough. they expect up to 400 demonstrators. compare that 400 number to the 2,000 counter protesters who are all around washington including where we saw. the primary goal is to keep the counter protesters and the protesters separate to prevent the violent, deadly melee we saw last year in charlottesville. we expect later onto see the prote protesters emerge. next, ocan she even do that? 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let s not go down the road. this is a non-negotiableable discussio negotiatable discussion. i want to get your legal expertise by looking at the language that general kelly was using there. how do you interpret what he was saying? it s sounds an awful lot like a threat. it sounds like he s sighing we re going to fire you. there s nothing you can do about it and i m not going to answer any questions at this point in time. of course, that s entirely appropriate in a government employment situation. if you re someone who works for the president you are terminalable at will. if the president is no happy with your services you can be let go. joyce, he mentions serious legal issues. hard to know what he s talking about. what s your reaction to that? this is the most unusual part of this conversation. you re right. we don t know the details so i wouldn t want to get too far ahead of ourselves. if there s legal issues with someone in government then they need to be referred to the appropriate inspector general or to the justice department for prosecution. if there are criminal legal issues. if violation of security protocols. if there s simply human resources related policy violations then maybe it s just appropriate to let the person go. typically most people understand when the time has come and they are asked to leave, it s time for them to go. is john kelly the one to make these decisions in terms of who should be handling these serious legal issues? this is a difficult question to answer. it depends on the nature of the issues but certainly kelly would know based on his career that if there was criminal type issues that they had to be referred. there s an obligation to refer those to an appropriate investigative body. they are up to him as chief of staff to determine an outcome for. folks would be asking why did she record that consideration. nbc chuck todd asked that question. this is what she said. chuck, if i did not have this recording people would still believe the false, incredible story that i was running around the white house. the false story that was told by a reporter and repeated by this network and other reporters that i tried to charge the residents at the white house. it s a lie. if i didn t have this recording, people would still think i was trying to set off alarms. yes, i had to protect myself and i have no regret about it. joyce, you know there s two sides. one is she face legal jeopardy here and was her defense of doing that good enough? this is the most reducktive vision of a white house and presidency that one can imagine. it s demeaning to the office. the people inside the white house were in such a state they felt like had to to tape and counter tape themselves. i can t imagine it. the reality is there s security issues, national security consideration going on in the situation room and this area. this is not a place for personal drama. this is a place where there s consequences to folks taking personal taping, personal listening devices into secured facilities where i never walked into a meeting in the situation room but just running into meetings in fbi or doj that occurred in secure facilities. you routinely drop your phone into a drop box outside of the room before you went in to prevent the possibility among other things that a hostile power could listen in on conversations that needed to remain private. she promised national security. obviously, this white house has a lot of issues but this compromised to best practices in this area is the serious one this needs to get a good hard look right now. very quickly, who is responsible here, fbi, secret service, doj? 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i think there s two reasons they are looking into roger. one is legitimate and hit s highly legitimate. that s to get to the bottom of what roger knew in terms of the e-mails. left a lot of crumbs out p publicly. i don t think he conspired against america. i think he conspired with himself. he left a lot of us with exposure. he sent an e-mail to me claiming he had dinner with julian assan assange. is this the role, at least what we re hearing from kristen davis that he was the keeper of the schedule of roger stone? i think that goes into the second they were looking into him. i was questioned by a very fine lawyer. i have to problem with him being on mueller s team. one of the first questions he asked me what who do you know that roger has worked for for the entire time you ve known him. what i ve said is i think roger, the same way mueller looks at manafort as a critical piece, michael cohen as a critical peop piece. he s going to put a sexy charge on the top and final on the back of it. what s the financial? i don t know. andrew miller you said andrew did a lot of invoices. if i was paid by roger, i would send an invoice to andrew. he s basically an adoptive son to roger. roger placed him in products. he was the cfo or the accountant. he s a very young man and he s good at these organized, things like that. defying subpoenas. you did at one point he has separate. you did agree to comply. what s your take of this strategy? this is a total distinction between what i did. i may have gone the course if i thought about it. he s gone to federal court about whether or not the special counsel office defies the aappointment very quickly. basically robert mueller had all this power, why didn t he face a confirmation? he reports to rosenstein, that s a nonsensical to me. meet the press and omarosa, also producing the conversation with general kelly. i think general kelly should have handled that termination much better than he did. i think the threat of legal action against her, what could she have done? 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what has changed in the last year? well, charlottesville is quite different many the last year. i think one of the most important things is that we have been able to clearly understand that charlottesville is not place where there s a platform for facism, nazism. that s the idea of white supremacy needs to be called out. the more conversations that we all have and over the course of the last year the heritage center has been the sight of many of those conversations, that the community needs to be educated about what exactly does it mean to talk supremacy and how dud oes it ex in our contemporary lives. whether it s a conversation about housing or severe policing of african-american people. whether it s a conversation about the criminalizing of activists who over the course of the year through one court case or another have been placed in the position where fighting white supremacy has been determined to be a crime. i think those are some of the really important changes in charlottesville. the issue about race and what the president has said so far, i want to share with you some of the president s comments about that very topic of over the past year. i think there s blame. i think there s blame on both sides. you look at both sides, i think there s blame on both sides. i have no doubt about it. you don t have any doubt about it either. only the nazis if you reported it accurately, you would say. then saturday morning you may have seen this tweet. this is what the president said. the riots in charlottesville a year ago resulted in senseless death and division. we must come together as a nation. i condemn all types of racism and acts of violence. peace to all americans. how do you put those two times in the ark of recent history? i would even go further back through his campaign where he was calling for people to be removed from auditory yuiums wh he need to return to a time of before. one would ask what was he referring to? the time when white people were physically violent towards black people. i think his desire to set himself up as a champion for african-americans is, i don t want to go as far as say laughable but it s suspect. one of the most shocking things that occurred last year was his statement about the there were bad people on both sides. there s no equation there where there s any kind of equality between two sides in that way. if you think about the history of america and the ways in which violence has been used and the kind of racial terrorism that s predominated the history of america, charlottesville, what happened last year was just another example of that. spike lee folk with reverend al sharpton today and elijah cummings was a talking about it. he s not said anything about the one year anniversary. he s not said anything about heather heyer who lost her life. it s another example of who this guy is. it s not even for debate anymore. we know who this guy is. when people go around asking is somebody a racist, you know what happens? once i say that and if i were to say that, that would be the headline. nobody would ever get the message. the message i want to get through is this president has consistly tried to distract us from the things that we ve been fighting for. distract us from the great country that we are. distract us from being the moral authority of this world. 15 seconds here, andrea. how would you explain what was just said to those who come to your center? what i would say is i who wholeheartedly agree with it. when we are refusing to name truth and when we refuse to claim truth and when we are willing to bend truth to our own sort of political and social needs then it becomes really difficult for people without evidence to understand what the full course and the full ark of american history is. t to a president who refuses to acknowledge the violence and for him to come out this weekend and say thing, he had nothing to say in berkeley. he had nothing to say in what happened at portland. we can t expect much from him from his tweets this morning or when they were given to find credibility in his assertions. andrea douglas, thank you. i hope you have a very peaceful day in charlottesville. thank you. appreciate it. tonight, msnbc shares the story of a former white supremacist who has dedicated his life to reforming others now. we invite you to breaking hate at 9:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. for you next, how hindsight has helped omarosa see the light about the president. rudy giuliani talks about the end date to have the russia pro probe. he claims robert mueller said it. about people. people who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams they re handing us more than mail they re handing us their business and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget. that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast-acting, long-lasting relief, try doctor recommended gaviscon. it quickly neutralizes stomach acid and helps keep acid down for hours. relieve heartburn with fast- acting, long-lasting gaviscon. he s truly a racist. all right. omarosa manigault newman, former assistant to president trump saying she heard the president saying the n word after the about publication of her book. part of the exclusive from meet the press today with chuck todd. let s bring in the former director of the state democratic party. republican strategist lauren celt, and joel payne, former senate leadership aide. joel, your reaction to what we have seen today. we have a lot of headlines and data coming out of omarosa manigault newman. this makes my blood boil and basel can identify with this. i m a former senate staffer, senate leadership staffer. there s a high hill for folks like us to climb. there s a lot to prove. so to have someone like omarosa on tv degrading and minimizing the experience of african-americans in government and telling that story and having that be the narrative that s out there when you have people people on your airwaves all the time by the way, like heather mcghee, angela rye, people who have fought and scraped for credibility, to have omarosa be the face of that is infuriating to me. basil? i agree with that. i have been in politics for 20 years. the subterfuge in taping my bosses, that wouldn t have occurred to me. i wouldn t work in this business again and be taken seriously. it does bother me number one, that she would do this and use it as an attempt to get back in the good graces of those who have been in the fight for a long time. suppose we hear that the president used the n word it s not a surprise to me or other people out there. will she be an ally in fighting for justice, will she bring republicans for example in congress or elsewhere to try to push back against the policies that come from this president who s used this language to define us? i don t know that that s going to happen. but you know if it sells books i guess that what she s in this for. it appears that the apprentice is no longer the apprentice. right. i appreciate basil and joel s perspectives on this. thank you for that, guys. i m a former senate staffer and a former campaign staffer and it s never occurred to me either to record any of my conversations with my bosses. ic what you re seeing is i think what you re seeing is a reality star behaving like a reality star. let s not forget she has been on celebrity big brother following her tenure in the white house. this entire campaign, her book rollout or whatever, she s doing what she can to be famous. i don t think anyone should take it seriously. she s doing what she can to sell books and that s really it. i guess not recording in confidential spaces in the white house is so 2017. i guess so. honestly, i think we should not be talking about omarosa. because this is exactly what she wants in order to sell books. and if the question at hand is what how the president addresses race, then i think we already had all of the answers to that based on his actions, based on his words. based on the policies that his administration has put into play. so, you know, like basel said earlier, we don t need a tape or a book to shine any new light on what the administration is doing. that s what we should be focusing on is the damage that s been caused rather than omarosa and her, you know, kind of her self-serving needs right now. so we have about a minute left. very quickly, joel, what should happen next? what should happen is what she said. omarosa needs this oxygen to sell her book. i m not buying or reading this book. after this conversation i frankly don t plan on having many more about it. let s talk about something that happens like the 500 plus children orphaned by this government or the white nationalists emboldened by the president. 15 seconds. i agree. i focus specifically on what s happening in washington today and in charlottesville. we have got to bring people back together and not be divisive. lauren? i agree with the rest of the panel. time to move on from this and really discuss the issues that matter. and to you, you have 30 seconds because lauren is so fast. all right. i would say finally, you know what we need to do is we need to address the root of the problem and we need to find out why it is that people are choosing to judge each other. to persecute each other. to dehumanize others and the manipulative tactics that are used to have people blame it on others whether it be for the color of their skin, where they re emigrating from. those are the issues that we need to tackle in this country so that we can move forward. four great guests to finish this hour. thank you. i appreciate it. basel smikle, and all the rest, have great sunday. coming up, the percentage of americans who think tensions in america have decreased. rson to e alzheimer s disease is out there. and the alzheimer s association is going to make it happen by funding scientific breakthroughs, advancing public policy, and providing local support to those living with the disease and their caregivers. but we won t get there without you. join the fight with the alzheimer s association. you wouldn t accept an incomplete job from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? 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