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>> it could be a false equivalency if it's done wrong. but, look, ask john kerry about swift boat. ask hillary clinton about benghazi or the computer. trying to ignore something and make it go away doesn't make it go away. if there's an issue out there, candidates and the media need to confront it. they need to be able to answer the questions and answer them well. that doesn't let the media off the hook, though, michael. here's where i agree about those who would scream about false equivalency. if you're going to harp on this and fall into someone else's narrative because they want to distract...

His calculation? everything putin calculated, part of the thing. you've been in the room and a room president trump hasn't been in before and in ways people say, experience gap? others say, advantage. new, different. not bound by the old ways of doing things. >> a possibility trump went into the meeting with an overly optimistic perspective what could happen. we've seen reports officials say he went in hoping to make a deal with putin potentially involving syria, working together against isis. base and the status quo in syria that's not likely to happen. as of now, pushing isis back, as troops...

Do. >> wouldn't you argue this is the most symbolic form of events that they couldn't have gotten done by the last one when they had a chance, not to get ugly. i called alex before the show after reading dana millbank and say didn't bush run on fear? didn't a lot of people vote on fear? didn't they politicize a lot of what they were doing on sending thousands of soldiers to war perhaps without precondition? it was all part of the campaign, wasn't it? >> ask john kerry. >> yeah. >> silver star, purple heart, they made him out to be a weakling in 2004. if there is an error in this, you would sub...

Said behind the scenes, said on national tv that the guys policies are etch-a-sketch. how does he explain that? >> you don't. to illustrate the point yesterday the win in illinois and, by the way, he won, but he won with the lowest winning margin in the 100 here history of the illinois primary. that's not a good sign for a moderate state like illinois. listen, if you don't believe me on these things, you can't erase these things. ask john kerry. everything that john kerry ever did in his entire senate career was brought back. remember the flip-flops at the republican convention. if you think t...

Enthusiastically come out and support him. >> evangelicals are a powerful force in terms of organizing, not just in terms of policy. if you look at a state like florida, yes, romney's numbers are good but evangelical conservatives have a very strong turnout operation when it comes to republican primaries in florida. so he's got a challenge there. he's got another challenge beyond florida which is that nothing happens in february. and it's a chance, frankly, for those conservatives to get their act together because all of this happening now is too late for south carolina. maybe too late for flo...