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And then the inherent contempt powers that congress continues to have. and donald trump just sued us. so that creates yet another opportunity for us to get at trump's team. >> so you don't think that he could drag this out until congress turns over possibly and becomes republican -- >> no way. no. they're thinking about the mcgahn litigation, but mcgahn had a president who was on his side who was trying to exert executive privilege. donald trump didn't come to steve bannon's aid. he didn't contact our committee to assert executive privilege. we haven't heard a peep out of donald trump about tr...

Bannon is doing the same. he knows that this legal fight could take years. he wants to drag this out. >> he thinks it's going to take years, yes. but i don't think it will. i think this could happen very quickly. remember, all that's been used so far is criminal contempt. but there is also civil contempt that is very much out there. and then the inherent contempt powers that congress continues to have. and donald trump just sued us. so that creates yet another opportunity for us to get at trump's team. >> so you don't think that he could drag this out until congress turns over possibly and bec...

Are folks that have the ability to say i'm not coming. there are various methods of enforcement when you go to court, there will be executive privilege as you mentioned the former president trump said he'll assert that. it doesn't fly, as you know, because the right to assert executive privilege is held by the office of the presidency and whoever the current occupant of that office is. in this case, it's joe biden, not former president trump as much as he wishes that were so. it's also true one of the four people was not an employee of the government and there couldn't have been any executive ...

Already said he's going to assert that. it doesn't fly as you know because the right to assert executive privilege is held by the office of the presidency and whoever the current occupant of that office is. in this case it's joe biden, not former president trump as much as he wishes that were so. it's also true that one of the four people was not even an employee of the government, with whom there couldn't be an executive assertion that steve bannon.. my guess is you'll see a lot of back and forth, criminal contempt we've really not seen that. it's a difficult thing to pull off. where an execu...

>> well, so we don't know. you know, it's interesting. this notion of absolute immunity, it's not new to trump. previous administration departments and both administrations have taken that position. the whole issue is the constitution tries to set up this balance of power between the president and congress with the president being not so powerful as a king but also not having congress as his boss. so it's this delicate balance. what we do know, though, is that this is going to take a while to play out. it will go to the court of appeals and the supreme court. >> that lick months and months and...