Taking place if there was no evidence, no evidentiary basis to move forward, and, of course, we can see in just what's come out in the last month why that investigation is probably closer to the beginning than the end. i think it is a significant development, not particularly unexpected. you're right, you can't read indictments are going to follow, but nonetheless it means the investigation is not only being turned off, but it's moving to a new phase. >> ranking democrat, congressman adam schiff on the mueller team's use of grand injuries in the russia investigation. joining me right now is a ...