Officers believed -- they're telling you they believed that he was fine until they found out -- there were four stops with the van, the fifth was at the police station, it wasn't until they got to the fifth stop at the police station and realized that he wasn't? >> yeah that's correct. they i mean he -- apparently they were saying that he asked for his asthma pump relatively soon but, i mean it was a lengthy foot chase, which wouldn't seem out of the ordinary. but he made no indication he needed any sort of medical attention or anything. >> now, are these officers who were pursuing him or offi...